what happens if you're stranded and out of fuel a hundred miles away and no wallet...

Car_54

vikingaero wrote: »

True. I have one of those *ahem* condom holders on my keyring with 3 x £20 notes rolled up inside and about £30-40 in £1 coins.

Eh? 40 pound coins weigh the best part of a pound. Do you really have that dangling from your keyring?

vikingaero

Car_54 wrote: »

Eh? 40 pound coins weigh the best part of a pound. Do you really have that dangling from your keyring?

The coins are in a moneybag for parking. Central London meters can swallow ££'s

Astronaughtwannabe

Don't forget that theft is not only subjective, but judged objectively (R v Ghosh) so rocking up to the cashier minus your wallet may well end up in arrest despite your protestations of 'intent' to pay. It would all depend on the cop's judgement of the situation and if he/she reasonably suspects you're not all you're cracking on to be then you'll end up getting booked in.

However, the arrest must be proportionate and necessary so if it is genuine, you'll be given a fair crack at explaining your intent to pay before ending up in bracelets.


Your prints could then be taken, by force if necessary but I guess by that point it would be the least of your worries.

RavingMad

A few years ago, our company changed fuel card providers and the first time I tried to use it, it was declined by the machine. The card provider had to do something on their end to get it to work eventually but the cashier said I could have left my details and come back within 7 days to pay it

RS2000.

Astronaughtwannabe wrote: »

Don't forget that theft is not only subjective, but judged objectively (R v Ghosh) so rocking up to the cashier minus your wallet may well end up in arrest despite your protestations of 'intent' to pay. It would all depend on the cop's judgement of the situation and if he/she reasonably suspects you're not all you're cracking on to be then you'll end up getting booked in.

However, the arrest must be proportionate and necessary so if it is genuine, you'll be given a fair crack at explaining your intent to pay before ending up in bracelets.


Your prints could then be taken, by force if necessary but I guess by that point it would be the least of your worries.

It's for a court to determine dishonesty not a cop.

Altarf

RS2000. wrote: »

It's for a court to determine dishonesty not a cop.

The police need to determine if they consider an offence has been committed to decide whether to arrest you or not.

However if you fill up with fuel, go into the kiosk and tell them you forgot your wallet, there is zero chance of the police turning up unless you decided to do something very stupid.

Most petrol stations have a straightforward procedure how to deal with it, asking you -
1 - Are you sure you don't have any other means to pay
2 - Is there anyone else in the car who could pay
3 - Is there anyone you can phone, so we can take a card payment
4 - Sign this form and agree to make payment within a set time (card payment over the phone if you want so you don't have to return to that site)

The form points out that you are on cctv in the shop, they have your registration plate details, and if you don't pay within the set time then they will pass it all onto the police, who can then consider whether you ever had any intention to pay.

Astronaughtwannabe

RS2000. wrote: »

It's for a court to determine dishonesty not a cop.

Indeed but it's reasonable suspicion that gets you locked in the first place.


Of course dishonesty is determined by the court and it would be a high burden to discharge when some claims to have left their wallet at home, which is why one constabulary has said they no longer consider it a crime (or at least that's the newspaper's spin on it).

matttye

Astronaughtwannabe wrote: »

Indeed but it's reasonable suspicion that gets you locked in the first place.


Of course dishonesty is determined by the court and it would be a high burden to discharge when some claims to have left their wallet at home, which is why one constabulary has said they no longer consider it a crime (or at least that's the newspaper's spin on it).

Going into the garage and leaving verifiable contact details would be highly indicative that you were not dishonest.

A thief would be more likely to leave fake details or just drive off.

RS2000.

Altarf wrote: »

The police need to determine if they consider an offence has been committed to decide whether to arrest you or not.

However if you fill up with fuel, go into the kiosk and tell them you forgot your wallet, there is zero chance of the police turning up unless you decided to do something very stupid.

Most petrol stations have a straightforward procedure how to deal with it, asking you -
1 - Are you sure you don't have any other means to pay
2 - Is there anyone else in the car who could pay
3 - Is there anyone you can phone, so we can take a card payment
4 - Sign this form and agree to make payment within a set time (card payment over the phone if you want so you don't have to return to that site)

The form points out that you are on cctv in the shop, they have your registration plate details, and if you don't pay within the set time then they will pass it all onto the police, who can then consider whether you ever had any intention to pay.

Is this something you have experience of or just thing it happened?

I can't see why they'd get them to enter into such a contract potentially making this a civil matter by introducing a written contract with a time limit to pay.

RS2000.

Astronaughtwannabe wrote: »

Indeed but it's reasonable suspicion that gets you locked in the first place.


Of course dishonesty is determined by the court and it would be a high burden to discharge when some claims to have left their wallet at home, which is why one constabulary has said they no longer consider it a crime (or at least that's the newspaper's spin on it).

Car registered and insured to you at your home address. You claiming you forgot means to pay and remIned at the scene until to police arrive is unlikely to see you arrested. There is not necessity to do so.