Isle of Man Phone Charges

Ian011

The key to inclusive calls from the UK to CI and IoM is termination rates that are substantially below 1p per minute. Termination rates in CI and IoM are currently above that figure. In the interests of maximising the number of calls that can be made for a given monthly price, UK operators exclude these higher price calls.

I would assume that within CI and IoM, call packages are either more expensive or not as generous, though of course most of the calls would likely to be made to the same network. Where that is the case, no termination fee applies to those calls. Termination rates are falling. Calls to CI and IoM may become inclusive in the future.

TheUnknownTech

Having a look at the IoM part of the sure mobile website, for a 24 month contract, i would say that the prices are comparible or a few quid more than UK equivalent, so for that you get calls to the crwon dependencies, UK and also the Republic of Ireland.

Giff Gaff 500 Mins .. 1Gb (LTE) data with unlimted texts £12.00
Tesco 500mins .. 1Gb (LTE) data with 5,000 texts £12.50
o2 Mobile Unlimited Text and Mins with 1Gb LTE data £ 17.50
Sure mobile 500mins .. 1Gb (LTE) with 10,0000 texts £18

Giff Gaff: 2000 mins .. 5Gb (LTE) with Unlimited texts costs £18.00
o2 Mobile: unlimited Text and Mins, with 5Gb LTE data £24
Sure Mobile 2000mins .. 5Gb (LTE) with 10,000 texts costs £24
Tesco Mobile 5000 mins .. 8Gb (LTE) with 5,000 texts costs 24.50

Hope that helps

samwardill

My MP understands my concerns and has written to the Secretary of State. I think that a number of other people reading this thread also share my concerns. Please consider writing to your MP.

mobilejunkie

Wouldn't be any use writing to mine; he just pays lip service and goes through the motions.

redux

samwardill wrote: »

My MP understands my concerns and has written to the Secretary of State. I think that a number of other people reading this thread also share my concerns. Please consider writing to your MP.

I wouldn't waste my time and his, for two reasons.

The second one is that I don't believe there are laws or rules by Ofcom that certain destinations must be in inclusive minute bundles.

The concept of mobile networks marketing bundles that include calls to other mobile networks was invented by the networks themselves, not any regulatory mandate. Before that bundles included only landline and same network, and to begin with some contracts didn't have any minutes at all.

Thus if main networks and their resident mvno brands have excluded various number prefixes, including Guernsey Jersey and Isle of Man mobiles, as well as various other UK codes, that's up to them.

The practice on the latter UK numbers is odd, and personally I think they should not be allowed to describe them all as non-mobile prefixes as it's not true of all. At one time I had three SIM cards with such numbers, and was originally able to persuade giffgaff not to remove these and various others (including one T-mobile prefix copied from Tesco's exclusion list where it was a typing mistake) when they reacted to callthrough abuse on a couple of other number groups in their first year, but that policy changed again some time later.

Oddly, when looking at the 07 numbers that some VoIP brands use, some are excluded by mobile networks, but some have always been included, presumably by agreement with their providers including about termination rates. Mind you on the other hand some aren't reachable at all from some networks, even though mobile networks receive money for their incoming calls that those providers' customers make.

Ian011

The various "non-mobile" numbers excluded from inclusive allowances are used for a variety of purposes. Some are interactive and automated services, others are international dial-through providers. Others are VoIP services and some are mobile networks offering cheap international calls or cheap roaming deals. They all had one thing in common: high termination rates. Charging high termination rates on incoming calls funded the service or allowed them to have lower outgoing call costs than they would otherwise.

Their termination rates were sometimes 15p per minute or more, other times just a few pence per minute, but all substantially above Ofcom's cap on the Mobile Termination Rate (0.84p per minute from 1 April 2014) that has been in place for some years. The MTR cap was introduced in April 2010 and applied only to the termination rates charged by the main mobile networks. Others were told to charge "fair and reasonable rates".

Ofcom has since removed the basis for this pricing anomaly. When the MTR cap was reduced to 0.68p per minute earlier this year, it was also extended to cover all providers using numbers starting 071-075 and 077-079. The new reduced and extended MTR cap took effect on 1 May 2015. Only mobile numbers in Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man are exempt.

From 1 May 2015, the "non-mobile" category should have disappeared from price lists, leaving just prices for:
- standard UK mobile numbers starting 071-075 and 077-079 (excluding Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man)
- mobile numbers in Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man (including 07624)
- personal numbers starting 070
- pager numbers starting 076 (excluding 07624).

Termination rates have fallen in recent years. They are now:
- 0.21p per minute for 01 and 02 landline numbers (excluding Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man)
- 0.56p per minute for 03 non-geographic numbers
- 0.68p per minute for 071-075, 077-079 mobile numbers (excluding Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man)
- around 1.2p to 1.5p per minute for mobile numbers in Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man
- separately declared as the Service Charge for calls to 084, 087, 09 and 118 numbers
- anything from 10p per minute to 50p per minute for 070 personal numbers
- various rates for 055, 056 and 076 numbers (these and 070 are due to be reviewed by Ofcom in 2016).

Those numbers with termination rates that are substantially below 1p per minute are usually included in call bundles and allowances. As termination rates have reduced over the last decade or more, more and more different types of calls and a larger quantity of those calls has been able to be included in allowances. From 1 April 2017, the termination rate for calls to mobile numbers will be about 0.51p per minute making it likely that calls to mobile numbers will become inclusive from landlines. Inclusive calls to Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man may take a bit longer.

System

It was abolished due to the UK (therefore indirectly the CI and IOM) being party the ECHR - nothing to do with EU!

British Citizens (from the CI or IOM) won't have European Union on their passport as they don't have EU citizenship; the person with that passport has a lived in or has some connection with the UK proper - but has the passport issued in the IOM!

You should join UKIP

Kernel_Sanders wrote: »

I initially thought that both statements were wrong because 1. I remember the IoM abolishing birching due to EU pressure and 2. this.....



Despite what it says, it seems its territory is indeed not part of the EU.

d123

Heng_Leng wrote: »

It was abolished due to the UK (therefore indirectly the CI and IOM) being party the ECHR - nothing to do with EU!

British Citizens (from the CI or IOM) won't have European Union on their passport

They will, as that is the only Passport issued by the IOM.

What is done is those with Islander status have their passport endorsed with:

THE HOLDER IS NOT ENTITLED TO BENEFIT FROM EC PROVISIONS RELATING TO EMPLOYMENT OR ESTABLISHMENT.

http://www.gov.im/categories/travel-traffic-and-motoring/passports/what-is-a-manxman-and-islander-status/

System

I've flown to the IOM quite a few times and seen people with British Islands passports without European Union on them.

I'd imagine that most Channel Islanders and Manx people have links with the mainland and therefore be able to freeride on the UK's membership.

d123 wrote: »

They will, as that is the only Passport issued by the IOM.

What is done is those with Islander status have their passport endorsed with:



http://www.gov.im/categories/travel-traffic-and-motoring/passports/what-is-a-manxman-and-islander-status/

d123

Heng_Leng wrote: »

I've flown to the IOM quite a few times and seen people with British Islands passports without European Union on them.

I'd imagine that most Channel Islanders and Manx people have links with the mainland and therefore be able to freeride on the UK's membership.

Looks like the Manx government disagree with you as they show the passport with the European Union tag. Have you considered reporting the fault to their Chief Minister or a member of the Tynwald?

http://www.gov.im/categories/travel-traffic-and-motoring/passports/

The passport picture on the official website (or maybe they are also wrong?).