Isle of Man Phone Charges

mobilejunkie

Just because other countries choose to do things the stupid way doesn't mean we should follow like sheep.

Kernel_Sanders

Tony5101 wrote: »

...however following your logic I could complain about calls made to an 01 number in France and it not be included in my allowance? (France isn't UK, IoM isn't UK...starting to see a pattern here?).

The OP isn't complaining that Manx phones are charged at a higher rate, he's simply saying that they shouldn't be accessed by numbers masquerading as UK prefixes.

Ian011 wrote: »

France has incorporated many of their overseas territories within their national number plan, including some in the Caribbean.

In the case of France, most of their overseas territories have actually been incorporated into France proper, meaning that bits of the EU are actually in other continents eg Martinique. Paradoxically, that province users the prefix +596 wheres the 'mainland' uses +33.

Ian011

Outside of France, Martinique is dialled as +596 xxx xx xx xx

From inside France, Martinique numbers appear under the French 0596 area code as 0596 xx xx xx.

Likewise for other such territories:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_France#Overseas_departments_and_territories

Kernel_Sanders

Ian011 wrote: »

Outside of France, Martinique is dialled as +596 xxx xx xx xx
From inside France, Martinique numbers appear under the French 0596 area code as 0596 xx xx xx.

That's very interesting. So does that mean someone (from outside France) with a plan that includes cheap calls to Europe but not the West Indies would be able call Martinique for the same price by dialling +33 0596 xx xx xx ?

Ian011

Kernel_Sanders wrote: »

That's very interesting. So does that mean someone (from outside France) with a plan that includes cheap calls to Europe but not the West Indies would be able call Martinique for the same price by dialling +33 0596 xx xx xx ?

I would think that international carriers became wise to that a very long time ago.

One other that you may not be aware of is that whereas all Northern Ireland numbers are dialled as 028 xxxx xxxx from the rest of the UK they can be dialled either as 048 xxxx xxxx or as +44 28 xxxx xxxx from the Republic of Ireland. 048 is effectively an area code in the Republic of Ireland.

For a time you could also dial Northern Ireland numbers as +353 48 xxxx xxxx from the UK and elsewhere, as well as the proper +44 28 xxxx xxxx.

Within Northern Ireland, you only need to dial the eight digit xxxx xxxx local number, omitting the 028 area code. If you do dial 028 or +44 28 in front, you aren't charged extra, but you might be if you dial +353 48 in front (if that still works).

Kernel_Sanders

Ian011 wrote: »

whereas all Northern Ireland numbers are dialled as 028 xxxx xxxx from the rest of the UK they can be dialled either as 048 xxxx xxxx or as +44 28 xxxx xxxx from the Republic of Ireland. 048 is effectively an area code in the Republic of Ireland.

For a time you could also dial Northern Ireland numbers as +353 48 xxxx xxxx from the UK and elsewhere, as well as the proper +44 28 xxxx xxxx.

Within Northern Ireland, you only need to dial the eight digit xxxx xxxx local number, omitting the 028 area code. If you do dial 028 or +44 28 in front, you aren't charged extra, but you might be if you dial +353 48 in front (if that still works).

After reading all that, it's an extra reason to be relieved Scotland didn't become independent!

Techhead_2

mobilejunkie wrote: »

Just because other countries choose to do things the stupid way doesn't mean we should follow like sheep.

But we aren't following them, this isn't something new that has recently changed.

In fact its much simpler than it used to be.

It's just that nowadays there are some people who don't understand how the charging works. Whether this is because what's included isn't made clear or because they don't understand what constitutes the UK is a different matter.

samwardill

Techhead wrote: »

But we aren't following them, this isn't something new that has recently changed.

In fact its much simpler than it used to be.

It's just that nowadays there are some people who don't understand how the charging works. Whether this is because what's included isn't made clear or because they don't understand what constitutes the UK is a different matter.

This is simply not true.

O2 only started treating calls to IOM as International in 2013. Before 2013 they were treated as national. They are still treated as national by most other operators.

It is a failing of Ofcom that they allowed this to happen.

Techhead_2

samwardill wrote: »

This is simply not true.

O2 only started treating calls to IOM as International in 2013. Before 2013 they were treated as national. They are still treated as national by most other operators.

It is a failing of Ofcom that they allowed this to happen.

You've misunderstood. I was replying to mobile junkie. That the IOM is not part of the UK but is part of the numbering scheme is not a new or recent change.

(Incidentally, you use the phrase "treated as national" which I'm going to assume is sloppy wording and you mean "charged as a call to a UK landline number beginning 01,02 or 03". Either that or you believe local, regional and national rates still apply?)

Pompeyfan

Tony5101 wrote: »

Don't be a plank mate...if you can't be bothered to read Ts and Cs and know what's included in your price plan, you can't whinge afterwards. How does that saying go...ignorance is no excuse? Please feel free to continue in your blissful world signing your life away with contracts you don't read.
The adverts quoting calls to 01/02/03 are shown in the UK, to go with the UK allowances...however following your logic I could complain about calls made to an 01 number in France and it not be included in my allowance? (France isn't UK, IoM isn't UK...starting to see a pattern here?)
And as for starting to look stupid...if the OP hadn't mentioned about being charged for calls to the IoM, then we probably wouldn't be having this conversation anyway. I'm assuming that you've read the first post where he says where the calls were to, and the subsequent posts about wife being from Zimbabwe and wouldn't be expected to know that IoM wasn't UK etc etc.
Facts are facts, and it's not about being smart about things. Bottom line is the IoM is not UK, and most phone operators will exclude calls from allowances.
If the first post had been along the lines of "I've been charged for calls to 01624 numbers, does anyone know why", then someone would have identified where the calls were to and answered, that's because it's the IoM and excluded from UK allowances blah blah blah...and effectively ending the conversation.

BiB That logic dosen't work because if you tried ringing an 01 number in France without using the +33 international dialling code you wouldn't get through, but ringing an 01 number in IoM you will.

I have a mate on the IoM and regularly ring him and calls were included in both BT anbd Sky talk plans so it came as a shock to find not only are calls to 01 in the IoM charged at international rates so are texts and they dont come out of the unlimited text allowance. If I text him or call from my mobile I'm charged at International rates if he rings me using his mobile or texts he isn't charged international rates and it comes out of his allowance.