How will the economy be affected by SNP MPs; will it be for richer or for poorer and

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You can't 'delay' something that isn't going to be offered. The Scots have returned +60% in polls for Devo Max for about the last 3 or 4 years... so it's not new to us. It was much discussed as an option leading up to the choice of the referendum question. In fact it was much discussed even here at the time. I was an undecided voter back then.

But again, completely daft to be accusing the SNP of 'delaying tactics' when FFA isn't on the table. Nor is ever likely to be. I doubt they'll suffer much at the ballot box through Westminster's intransigence. They've already voted for it twice.. and are about to try again.

Another hapless victim of the SNP mind meld!
This isn't about what's being offered by the SNP's political opponents, any political party worth its salt believes in stuff despite the views of others. If the SNP truly believed in FFA it would call for its immediate adoption despite the views of the nasty English Tories. Hardly the actions of a nation in-waiting battling to be free of the English yoke is it?

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There doesn't seem to BE much life outside the SNP in Scotland at the moment. Labour UK/Scotland leaderless reduced to 1 MP, Lib Dems reduced to 1 MP, and the Tories barely hanging on to their 1 MP.

It's perhaps about time you started adjusting to the real world and the way things are, rather than living in the political past.

Funny that because I live in Scotland and for me and another couple of million voters, our lives are happening just fine outside of SNP. Same for the rest of the big wide world out there in case you forgot it exists. But I can appreciate if living in a bubble of like minded people the world becomes very small and insular. But if you're simply talking 2016 HR elections think I made my thoughts pretty clear on several previous occasions on this and the other Scottish thread.

Are you sure you weren't an ex Labour voter and not Lib Dem as you profess? As your obvious hatred and contempt of anything Labour related , suggests they let you down big time in the past. Or was it just part of your conversion to SNP dogma. Wouldn't worry about them if I was you. They're not going anywhere for another decade,

My use of the word 'will' referred to your SNP tactic of its frequent use in predicting how the world and his wife in Scotland en masse , WILL react and respond to SNP planned rhetoric and spin. Similar to SNPs physcological frequent use of the phrase ' Independence is inevitable' . SNP appear to think repeating it often enough for a long enough period will finally wear down any opposition and normalise the fact into being so.

You were doing really well, up to the point when you ruin it all by agreeing voters are fickle. Tsk tsk. Careful or Sturgeon will sit you on the naughty seat or send you for reconditioning to the party stance.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Anyway, I thought you weren't going to respond to my posts any more.

Nope that was simply you deliberately twisting and misquoting what I said in an previous post into what suited you. A very bad habit of yours which you do frequently in the mistaken belief that it's a skill, and nobody notices. Unfortunately everyone who posts or follows a thread you frequent does notice. Lol.

What I said was, I don't feel driven ( unlike yourself ) to respond to EVERY post , you misquote or incorrect comment you make. Which means I'll decide which posts I respond to as when I feel like it. Simples.

Anyway for a change when is that nice man Mr Swinney going to fess up how he plans to use the new powers he's asked for in full control of employment, welfare and differential taxes etc. in some clear cut detail. Instead of of his traditional sound bite rhetoric script which someone else wrote and he rehearsed word for word , until his eyes take on a glazed look when repeating them in public.

As we know the devil is in the detail. And we all know how important the detail is to you, which is why I just know you won't want to re quote or link to an article someone else has written.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Another hapless victim of the SNP mind meld!
This isn't about what's being offered by the SNP's political opponents, any political party worth its salt believes in stuff despite the views of others. If the SNP truly believed in FFA it would call for its immediate adoption despite the views of the nasty English Tories. Hardly the actions of a nation in-waiting battling to be free of the English yoke is it?

Complete logic fail. The SNP can propose FFA everyday in Westminster for the next five years. It won't be voted through. How can that possibly be the SNP's fault for 'delaying' things. You don't make sense.

Being real about the amount of time FFA would take if it was voted through isn't a surprise to anyone who followed Calman through to the last Scotland Bill. It took years.. There is no way FFA could be 'introduced immediately'. Independence would be easier. <--- that's an end and transfer of things. FFA is a complete reworking of UK systems and how they work regarding Scotland and the other devolved parliaments.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Funny that because I live in Scotland and for me and another couple of million voters, our lives are happening just fine outside of SNP. Same for the rest of the big wide world out there in case you forgot it exists. But I can appreciate if living in a bubble of like minded people the world becomes very small and insular. But if you're simply talking 2016 HR elections think I made my thoughts pretty clear on several previous occasions on this and the other Scottish thread.

Are you sure you weren't an ex Labour voter and not Lib Dem as you profess? As your obvious hatred and contempt of anything Labour related , suggests they let you down big time in the past. Or was it just part of your conversion to SNP dogma. Wouldn't worry about them if I was you. They're not going anywhere for another decade,

My use of the word 'will' referred to your SNP tactic of its frequent use in predicting how the world and his wife in Scotland en masse , WILL react and respond to SNP planned rhetoric and spin. Similar to SNPs physcological frequent use of the phrase ' Independence is inevitable' . SNP appear to think repeating it often enough for a long enough period will finally wear down any opposition and normalise the fact into being so.

You were doing really well, up to the point when you ruin it all by agreeing voters are fickle. Tsk tsk. Careful or Sturgeon will sit you on the naughty seat or send you for reconditioning to the party stance.

Ach you're getting all het up and personal again. I voted Lib Dem in 2010. I lived very happily in England with my English husband prior to that in the armed forces. So often didn't vote at all due to moving around a lot.

It was Hamish that said voters are fickle a few pages back. I suggest you take up your issue with that with him. This is an economics/Scottish politics/re Westminster thread. There are plenty of threads elsewhere on the forum to discuss real life outwith the title of this thread. I suggest you try there if that's what you're after in terms of interaction.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Nope that was simply you deliberately twisting and misquoting what I said in an previous post into what suited you. A very bad habit of yours which you do frequently in the mistaken belief that it's a skill, and nobody notices. Unfortunately everyone who posts or follows a thread you frequent does notice. Lol.

What I said was, I don't feel driven ( unlike yourself ) to respond to EVERY post , you misquote or incorrect comment you make. Which means I'll decide which posts I respond to as when I feel like it. Simples.

Anyway for a change when is that nice man Mr Swinney going to fess up how he plans to use the new powers he's asked for in full control of employment, welfare and differential taxes etc. in some clear cut detail. Instead of of his traditional sound bite rhetoric script which someone else wrote and he rehearsed word for word , until his eyes take on a glazed look when repeating them in public.

Nah, I post something, and generally log on to four or five irate posts ripping the ***** out of it and quoting me. So I reply. :A That's how forums work generally. I enjoy them.

As we know the devil is in the detail. And we all know how important the detail is to you, which is why I just know you won't want to re quote or link to an article someone else has written.

Sure I will.. Here's a Scottish Tory's take on independence from the Herald today.

Ruth Davidson has warned Unionists would struggle to win a second independence referendum within the next 15 years, as she predicted future political battles in Scotland would be between the Conservatives and the SNP...

On the issue of another independence referendum, however, she struck a noticeably less upbeat note.
"I think that if there was a referendum in short order in the next five years or so it would be hard to win," she said.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/ruth-davidson-tories-will-be-the-second-party-in-scotland-but-it-will-be-.129877534

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Complete logic fail. The SNP can propose FFA everyday in Westminster for the next five years.

Indeed. In fact they asked again today in PMQ's.

As Cameron noted though, the SNP appear more interested in the process of obtaining FFA than rather than explaining how they would use it to benefit Scotland.

skintmacflint

Rinoa wrote: »

Indeed. In fact they asked again today in PMQ's.

As Cameron noted though, the SNP appear more interested in the process of obtaining FFA than rather than explaining how they would use it to benefit Scotland.

Very true, it's impossible to get past the rhetoric up here. Swinney has been working on his plan for replacement of council tax since 2007. Cameron made a very valid point when he said the subject of FFA had become !!!!!! - Full Fiscal Shambles.

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

Indeed. In fact they asked again today in PMQ's.

Yes and here again with the latest amendments yesterday :-

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2015-2016/0003/amend/pbc032306a.1-7.html

As Cameron noted though, the SNP appear more interested in the process of obtaining FFA than rather than explaining how they would use it to benefit Scotland.

They know they won't get FFA.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They know they won't get FFA.

Of course. But as Cameron noted recently, if they ask for something they know they won't get, nor particularly want, they can then complain when it's refused.

Allows them to play the ' Scotland betrayed' card to their supporters.