How will the economy be affected by SNP MPs; will it be for richer or for poorer and

wotsthat

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Nothing at all.

I just believe that great leadership means that the differences of opinions are debated closed doors and a concencus agreement is presented after deliberation.

Otherwise, you get the opportunity for the media to present derision and dissagreement within the party.

Far better for a politician to answer that the policies have been thoroughly dissected within the party and an agreement reached rather than put something out there, that infers there has been no discussion or agreement and allow the debate to happen in frint of all.

There's nothing wrong or embarrassing with disagreement within a political party. In fact anyone in possession of a healthy level of scepticism should be highly suspicious if such disagreement is non-existent.

For all I know the SNP is a monarchy and behind closed doors Queen Nicola adopts the Brian Clough management style ("We talk about it for 20 minutes and then we decide I was right").

Tromking

Tromking wrote: »

Aren`t you in the least bit curious as to why the SNP have gone cold on immediate FFA/FFR?

@ISTL
We'll leave that question hanging too, shall we?

IveSeenTheLight

Tromking wrote: »

@ISTL
We'll leave that question hanging too, shall we?

LOL, I was off line. Had stuff to do.
At least give me a chance.
I never hide and always give a response if afforded.

You play the cards dealt.
FFA /FFR will never be offered, Cameron himself has stated that it will not happen.
In which case, if you are not going to get all that you want, better to play the hand that gets you some more of what you want.

In essence, it's a game of little by little, more each time.
this is how it will be played as long as the Scottish electorate keep voting for a party such as the SNP.

Much better to get something than nothing.

Tromking

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

LOL, I was off line. Had stuff to do.
At least give me a chance.
I never hide and always give a response if afforded.

You play the cards dealt.
FFA /FFR will never be offered, Cameron himself has stated that it will not happen.
In which case, if you are not going to get all that you want, better to play the hand that gets you some more of what you want.

In essence, it's a game of little by little, more each time.
this is how it will be played as long as the Scottish electorate keep voting for a party such as the SNP.

Much better to get something than nothing.

You can't say it can you?😀

IveSeenTheLight

Tromking wrote: »

You can't say it can you?😀

Can't say what?

I've said many times before

I voted for Independence, but accept the countries vote for no independence.

The next best option would be devo max / FFA / FFR. I would like that as a compromise, but it isn't going to get through, hence I agree with the strategy of getting as much as you can.

I even said that Devo-Max / FFA / FFR could quell the desire in many for independence.

The more that can be negotiated, raises the platform for the next set of negotiations.

You should never stand still, or you get left behind, hence we may not get where we want to be as quickly as we want to be but as long as progress is being made and it seems that progress is being made from the SNP out of Westminster.

Tromking

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Can't say what?

I've said many times before

I voted for Independence, but accept the countries vote for no independence.

The next best option would be devo max / FFA / FFR. I would like that as a compromise, but it isn't going to get through, hence I agree with the strategy of getting as much as you can.

I even said that Devo-Max / FFA / FFR could quell the desire in many for independence.

The more that can be negotiated, raises the platform for the next set of negotiations.

You should never stand still, or you get left behind, hence we may not get where we want to be as quickly as we want to be but as long as progress is being made and it seems that progress is being made from the SNP out of Westminster.

Stop wriggling ISTL! ��
Why have the SNP gone from a position of wanting immediate FFA to now wanting it in the "medium term"? Shakey admits to being disappointed in that change of tack....are you?
Admitting the truth will set you free you know!

IveSeenTheLight

Tromking wrote: »

Stop wriggling ISTL! ��
Why have the SNP gone from a position of wanting immediate FFA to now wanting it in the "medium term"? Shakey admits to being disappointed in that change of tack....are you?
Admitting the truth will set you free you know!

LOL, I'm not wriggling. That's the bait your putting out, but I'm not biting

I wanted Independence. It was voted against.

I would prefer FFA / FFR. I'm sure if there was a hung parliament, the SNP's hand would have been stronger and they could have pushed more for this. The reality is however a hung Parliament did not prevail, hence you looks at the cards dealt and adjust the strategy accordingly.

Have you ever played poker?

How about chess?

Tromking

I've got to give it to you ISTL, yours is a masterclass in the disingenuous reply.��
I'll leave it there.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

All manifesto pledges are hypothetical if you don`t become the government. You can still believe in a policy even if its not being offered. The SNP could even table an amendment to the current Scotland Bill and put immediate FFA/FFR in there and let it be voted down, at least it shows SNP voters your intent. Aren`t you in the least bit curious as to why the SNP have gone cold on immediate FFA/FFR?

They're doing exactly what they claimed they would do in their manifesto..http://votesnp.com/docs/manifesto.pdf

Securing home rule – SNP MPs will demand that the proposals of the Smith commission are delivered in full and as quickly as possible, but the manifesto also states that Smith did not go far enough to honour the promises made during the referendum. The SNP will seek a phased transition to full financial responsibility, and in the meantime devolution of powers over employment policy, welfare, business taxes, national insurance and equality policy.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/20/snp-manifesto-2015-key-points

Powers over employment, welfare, business taxes, NI and equality policy in the run up to the election were termed as 'priority devolution' powers that the SNP badly want fast tracked through Westminster. Along with an enhanced Smith proposals.

FFA isn't on offer. Nor is it ever likely to be. SNP want the above powers devolved asap. If FFA is offered, of course they'll vote for it. But it's all a bit pie in the sky at the moment, you have to admit ? Better to concentrate on what's possible, rather than getting bogged down on something Westminster isn't going to ever offer. Concentrating instead on pushing for the priority powers outlined in their manifesto and repeatedly stated as such through the election campaign.

Yesterday :-

Scotland's only Tory MP said the "missing link" between spending powers and accountability that had been a "flaw" in the devolution settlement from the outset had to be fixed.
But he insisted there was no case for full fiscal autonomy in light of the Institute of Fiscal Studies (IFS) projection....

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/scotland-bill-clears-commons-hurdle-despite-snp-amendment-attempt-1.882540

You're sure getting your knickers in a twist about something that isn't going to happen. Then trying to get everyone else's knickers in a twist over the fact that the SNP aren't getting all angry about something that isn't going to happen. Once it becomes a possibility, then sure, let's have it, we'd love to have it. But it's not on offer, and FFA simply isn't the SNP's gift to give. That'll be up to the Tories ( who ruled it out yesterday once again ) with the support of other parties to propose, not the SNP.

S0litaire

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

LOL, I'm not wriggling. That's the bait your putting out, but I'm not biting

I wanted Independence. It was voted against.

I would prefer FFA / FFR. I'm sure if there was a hung parliament, the SNP's hand would have been stronger and they could have pushed more for this. The reality is however a hung Parliament did not prevail, hence you looks at the cards dealt and adjust the strategy accordingly.

Have you ever played poker?

How about chess?

LOL!

If you's are playing chess, he's probably the pigeon...