YES or NO - The Big Vote

saverbuyer

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

This is where we find out how things have not been thought through.

It used to be that a wife had no claim on farm assets. This was changed (by CJ Haughey) in the 80s. Now the problem is a girl can demand a farm be sold, and get a half share, after a 2 year failed marriage. Not surprisingly, the Irish farmers' association has been campaigning for premarital agreements.

No doubt similar problems will now emerge.

Or the case a few years back in Ballymoney, now your wee bit can even get your farm after you die.

qwert_yuiop

saverbuyer wrote: »

Or the case a few years back in Ballymoney, now you're wee bit can even get your farm after you die.

What was that?

Something else - they've now got a state which is so hip, progressive, right on, blah blah that they've got gay marriage - so what happened to the abortion bit? Is that not supposed to come first (1967?)? Was there something leapfrogged or missed out there?

saverbuyer

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

What was that?

Something else - they've now got a state which is so hip, progressive, right on, blah blah that they've got gay marriage - so what happened to the abortion bit? Is that not supposed to come first (1967?)? Was there something leapfrogged or missed out there?

There was a case with a bachelor farmer had a young love interest he promised to "look after" when he died. I think he die intestate. The judge gave the woman several hundred thousand out of the estate.

Sugarmummy

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

It's always going to be different in that the "Church" (whatever faith type) is not obliged to carry out the "marriage" in any way as they are a religious group so can "discriminate" in that way......
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for equality, I just don't think it's always completely clear what it is exactly people want.
So we're now in a position where LGBT people can be legally married, BUT the "Church" does not have to marry them or allow them to marry on their premises so is that really "Equality" ?



Most people don't get married in a church now anyhow, they can marry anywhere...a hotel, castle, forest parks for example. I firmly believe that there will be that one couple who will push the boundaries so far that they will take the church to court because the church won't marry them and that they were being discriminated against. To me this would be totally wrong as the church has been consistent on their views of same sex marriage and would be totally against their beliefs. Here's hoping the Irish law will take this into consideration.

saverbuyer

Sugarmummy wrote: »

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

It's always going to be different in that the "Church" (whatever faith type) is not obliged to carry out the "marriage" in any way as they are a religious group so can "discriminate" in that way......
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for equality, I just don't think it's always completely clear what it is exactly people want.
So we're now in a position where LGBT people can be legally married, BUT the "Church" does not have to marry them or allow them to marry on their premises so is that really "Equality" ?



Most people don't get married in a church now anyhow, they can marry anywhere...a hotel, castle, forest parks for example. I firmly believe that there will be that one couple who will push the boundaries so far that they will take the church to court because the church won't marry them and that they were being discriminated against. To me this would be totally wrong as the church has been consistent on their views of same sex marriage and would be totally against their beliefs. Here's hoping the Irish law will take this into consideration.

70% (roughly) of Northern Irish marriages are religious ones.


A sizable majority of marriages are in a church.

Sugarmummy

saverbuyer wrote: »

Sugarmummy wrote: »

70% (roughly) of Northern Irish marriages are religious ones.


A sizable majority of marriages are in a church.

Would it really be as much as that?? the last lot of weddings I have heard off have been in a hotel, or the couple have gone abroad. Anyway church leaders can marry people but they still need to go to the registry office to actually get the marriage license to make them officially married! as that has been taken away from the church, so there is no requirement now to get married in a church.....

Our church hasn't seen a wedding since two years ago.......

saverbuyer

Sugarmummy wrote: »

saverbuyer wrote: »

Sugarmummy wrote: »

70% (roughly) of Northern Irish marriages are religious ones.


A sizable majority of marriages are in a church.

Would it really be as much as that?? the last lot of weddings I have heard off have been in a hotel, or the couple have gone abroad. Anyway church leaders can marry people but they still need to go to the registry office to actually get the marriage license to make them officially married! as that has been taken away from the church, so there is no requirement now to get married in a church.....

Our church hasn't seen a wedding since two years ago.......

Yeah it's around 70% that are religious.


You have always had to go to the registry office to actually register the marriage. There has always been a civil part to a religious ceremony. Essentially the marriage contract.


Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the majority only see the inside of a church during christening, marriage and funerals but still the majority (of marriage ceremony's) are still religious.



It was 70% in 2013.


http://www.nisra.gov.uk/archive/demography/publications/marriages_divorces/MDCP2013.pdf

qwert_yuiop

saverbuyer wrote: »

Sugarmummy wrote: »

saverbuyer wrote: »

Yeah it's around 70% that are religious.


You have always had to go to the registry office to actually register the marriage. There has always been a civil part to a religious ceremony. Essentially the marriage contract.


Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the majority only see the inside of a church during christening, marriage and funerals but still the majority (of marriage ceremony's) are still religious.



It was 70% in 2013.


http://www.nisra.gov.uk/archive/demography/publications/marriages_divorces/MDCP2013.pdf

Most churches have a licence to perform marriages. That's why you go into the vestry to sign the register. The exceptions are new churches or tiny ones such as gospel halls.

Sugarmummy

No the ability for churches to actually issue the license was taken off them a few years ago. When I got married the minister was able to give me the license and all....but not now

qwert_yuiop

Sugarmummy wrote: »

No the ability for churches to actually issue the license was taken off them a few years ago. When I got married the minister was able to give me the license and all....but not now

All right. Must have missed that since I don't need that service now.