YES or NO - The Big Vote

lazer

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Well, today's antics will no doubt boost the No vote, although I'd say the turnout will be tiny, with only zealots bothering to go the polls.

Eu vote - I can't see a vote for withdrawal, but could you imagine the problems here? Either the border goes back to the 50s with customs posts et al. Or the south leaves, too?

San Marino and Vatican cityscape both non Eu and share borders with eu Italy - doesn't cause border issues.

Also the common travel area would still exist so would be no issue with cross border travel

RikM

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

If he'd only wanted a cake, he'd have found another baker and got over himself instead of taking his foot stamping tizzy to the courts and costing us all a wodge. So, mission accomplished, I'd say.

I suspect you're reading strategy into someone getting p'd off.
Of course, what most of us would do is get a cake elsewhere *and* get even (if we were touchy enough, and had some hope of right on our side).

Old_Git

jenheiffer wrote: »

But surely civil partnerships allow the same rights as marriage, so why is it such a big thing to marry?

Civil partnership does not have the same rights as marriage ,thats the problem .

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/seven-ways-civil-partnership-isnt-same-marriage250113

qwert_yuiop

San Marino is too insignificant to matter. It's like a republic of tandragee. If the common travel area were to survive the other state would have to leave the eu too. The border was highly significant economically up to 1992.

Yes of course I'm reading strategy into it. Who isn't?
So gay marriage is illegal, but it's illegal to refuse to provide a cake supporting it. The law is an !!!.

qwert_yuiop

It seems I'm not allowed to use the well known phrase "the law is an !!!" on this subject. Donkey? Or is the other word somehow more apposite?

Mistral001

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Eu vote - I can't see a vote for withdrawal, but could you imagine the problems here? Either the border goes back to the 50s with customs posts et al. Or the south leaves, too.

There were actually custom posts up until at the 1970's. In fact work permits for people in RoI wanting to work here were in place up until the mid-1970's.


It is also easy to forget how things in Europe were so different to today relatively recently. For example Greece and Spain were in the hands of dictatorships up until the 1970's.

guiriman

Mistral001 wrote: »

There were actually custom posts up until at the 1970's. In fact work permits for people in RoI wanting to work here were in place up until the mid-1970's.

Going down to my grandmother's in the early 1980's customs made us leave the portable TV (she didn't have any TV) in the north, thankfully my Mum knew someone in Middletown we could leave it with rather than having to drive back to Belfast.

qwert_yuiop

It used to be they measured the tread on your tyres if you drove across the border, then checked them again on the way back to make sure you weren't illegally importing tyres.

Cotta

fallin123 wrote: »

It isn't illegal to have any opinion, it is however illegal to refuse service to someone on the basis of their sexual orientation.

I'm not sticking up for Ashers, however wasn't their issue with the message rather than the sexual orientation of the customer?

saverbuyer

Cotta wrote: »

I'm not sticking up for Ashers, however wasn't their issue with the message rather than the sexual orientation of the customer?

Suggest you read the Judgement. 41 pages of explanation.




http://www.equalityni.org/ECNI/media/ECNI/Cases%20and%20Settlements/2015/Lee-v-Ashers_Judgement.pdf