Females in the trade

ViolaLass

GingerBob wrote: »

You disagree? Of course there are some good male primary school teachers and administrators as well. But generally speaking, women are better at these particular jobs - in my humble opinion, and that of the silent majority, who now dare not speak out for fear of being branded sexists, bigots or whatever.

Yes, I completely disagree. Just because you may have experienced women being better at these jobs or even just more women doing these jobs, it does not hold that the generalisation is true.

And have you actually talked to 'the silent majority' or are you assuming the right to speak on their behalf?

Got any proof for your claim rather than "I believe...'? I ask not because I am a militant feminist (because I'm not) but because I require evidence before grouping entire sets of people together and declaring what they do/do not like and can/can't do based on one characteristic they share.

Mojisola

duchy wrote: »

I honestly don't think they are powerful anymore.

I don't think they are as powerful but they are still strong.

It starts very young - just look around a toyshop.

While no-one may be surprised at a woman as Prime Minister/President, how many of our European leaders are women?

GingerBob_3

duchy wrote: »

Yep comments on the web are serious research tools.
You are becoming funnier and funnier .

It isn't anything to do with feminism -it is to do with commonsense.
Let me guess 63 years old -never worked in education and hates it when women disagree with your viewpoint . Back to the Arms with you ! Shoo !

That bit's correct, but my wife does. As for the rest of your comments - you are obviously not capable of arguing your case without resorting to personal insults, so I suggest you don't bother at all.

tea_lover

GingerBob wrote: »

You disagree? Of course there are some good male primary school teachers and administrators as well. But generally speaking, women are better at these particular jobs - in my humble opinion, and that of the silent majority, who now dare not speak out for fear of being branded sexists, bigots or whatever.

GingerBob wrote: »

That bit's correct, but my wife does. As for the rest of your comments - you are obviously not capable of arguing your case without resorting to personal insults, so I suggest you don't bother at all.

You are not capable of arguing without claiming to speak for the 'silent majority'. That is truly laughable.

Duchy - you posted earlier about not being able to think about a job that only one gender does. I've been wracking my brains and GingerBob has helped me to think of one - sperm donor.

duchy

GingerBob wrote: »

That bit's correct, but my wife does. As for the rest of your comments - you are obviously not capable of arguing your case without resorting to personal insults, so I suggest you don't bother at all.

So you are expert in teaching competency because your wife works in a school. You don't possibly think that the opinion of one individual (who chose to marry a man with some extreme opinions of the placement of men and women in society so is perhaps somewhat influenced by you as she's only a woman - or maybe just tells you what you want to hear) is not an especially broad or even primary source to base your understanding of an entire sector upon.
I'll make a wild guess here and assume that prior to retirement your job wasn't in any way involved with interpreting social data or requiring any interpretation of anything - except of course the comments boxes featured in online media sources.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

Where was the insult - suggesting you are 63 (presumably you have an objection to agism but not sexism ?)

AubreyMac

Of course you will always find exceptions to the rule, but do you not think it is fact that men and women's capabilities are different?

You don't often hear of women serial killers and in this country where there's all this mob culture, why is it considered worse when a female commits crime against children? Society expects women to be more nurturing and maternal because that's apparently more 'natural'.

ViolaLass

AubreyMac wrote: »

Of course you will always find exceptions to the rule, but do you not think it is fact that men and women's capabilities are different?

Proof or evidence?

You don't often hear of women serial killers and in this country where there's all this mob culture, why is it considered worse when a female commits crime against children? Society expects women to be more nurturing and maternal because that's apparently more 'natural'.

Whether society expects it or not is hardly the point.

agrinnall

I'm coming to the viewpoint that the OP is being deliberately provocative, as I simply cannot see how any 31 year old woman in the UK could hold the views that have been given.

GingerBob_3

AubreyMac wrote: »

Of course you will always find exceptions to the rule, but do you not think it is fact that men and women's capabilities are different?

You don't often hear of women serial killers and in this country where there's all this mob culture, why is it considered worse when a female commits crime against children? Society expects women to be more nurturing and maternal because that's apparently more 'natural'.

Yes, that is pretty much the case. Again to clarify that we're talking generalities here and there'll always be exceptions, but men and women's capabilities are different, as are their interests and aspirations.

I have seen articles describing how girls naturally gravitate towards 'girl toys' and boys don't. Attempts to get very young girls interested in 'boy toys' tend to fail; they are more interested in dolls than meccano. Attempts to force them down the boy toy route are in some ways similar to forcing a left handed child to write with his right hand (though with far less severe results).

It's just nature, and any amount of token women (witness the BBC) will not alter biological facts and, I think, will ultimately fail.

tea_lover

AubreyMac wrote: »

Of course you will always find exceptions to the rule, but do you not think it is fact that men and women's capabilities are different?

You don't often hear of women serial killers and in this country where there's all this mob culture, why is it considered worse when a female commits crime against children? Society expects women to be more nurturing and maternal because that's apparently more 'natural'.

:rotfl::rotfl: I have never heard serial killing referred to as a capability before!