Mobile internet dongle upload limit?

morphy_richards

d123 wrote: »

Whichever is correct, [...] they are both a long way from 2MB per second.

For correctness, I don't believe anyone other than d123 him/herself has quoted 2 Mega-Bytes (MB) per second. The video streaming relay provider uStream indicates a HD video would use about 2 megabits (Mb) per second.

Megabits are not the same as megabytes. One byte contains 8 bits. Therefore 2MB is 8 times more than 2Mb.

d123 wrote: »

A quick google shows [...] 37.5/5/60 = 0.125MB per second. [...] 800/60/60= 0.2MB per second.

The streaming service itself says in the page I linked to in my original reply to you HD 720, 1280x720, 1,200 - 4,000 kbps.

1,200 kilobits per second is 1200,000 bits per second. Thats 1.2 Mbps.
4,000 kbps is 4 Megabits. Per second.
So, a 720 stream will use between 1.2 and 4 Mbps. (That's according to the people who handle streaming your video to the internet in general.)

d123 wrote: »

(and an IP wildlife camera normally won't be running at HD rates)

I didn't ask for advice about what quality should be used to stream a video and I didn't specify what it was a video of.
I just wanted to see if anyone could help me find a solution to a problem.

d123

morphy_richards wrote: »

For correctness, I don't believe anyone other than d123 him/herself has quoted 2 Mega-Bytes (MB) per second. The video streaming relay provider uStream indicates a HD video would use about 2 megabits (Mb) per second.

Megabits are not the same as megabytes. One byte contains 8 bits. Therefore 2MB is 8 times more than 2Mb.

Data allowances are measured in MB (megabytes) or GB (gigabytes), the line speed is immaterial so don't get stuck on the Mb speeds quoted.

morphy_richards wrote: »

There are a few sim only mobile deals with unlimited data plans. Is there any (legal) reason why that could not be used instead?
This article suggests there is not really anything they can do about it

There are NO unlimited data allowances anymore (at least none without a FUP that will cut you off for usage in the 10-20GB level).

You may not use a handset sim in anything but a handset, the networks will now detect and cut it off if you try.

MBB sims are not unlimited, IIRC the biggest allowance is 50GB for around £50 a month on EE.

grumbler

d123 wrote: »

There are NO unlimited data allowances anymore (at least none without a FUP that will cut you off for usage in the 10-20GB level).

I had a brief look at '3' AYCE and they say no FUP and 1000Gb IIRC.

morphy_richards

d123 wrote: »

Data allowances are measured in MB (megabytes) or GB (gigabytes), the line speed is immaterial so don't get stuck on the Mb speeds quoted.
ta allowances are measured in MB (megabytes) or GB (gigabytes), the line speed is immaterial so don't get stuck on the Mb speeds quoted.

Say I rent a car and the T&C stipulates I may only drive a total of 1000 miles.

I then proceed to drive at 100 miles an hour for eleven hours. I have driven a total of 1,100 miles and have bust my limit.

It is the same with data.

If I have a limit, say of 1 GB (GigaByte) and I am using one million bits per second. In 8 seconds I will have used one million bytes (one MegaByte)

In 8000 seconds (133 minutes) I will have used up one GigaByte.

And so on ...

d123 wrote: »

You may not use a handset sim in anything but a handset, the networks will now detData allowances are measured in MB (megabytes) or GB (gigabytes), the line speed is immaterial so don't get stuck on the Mb speeds quoted.ect and cut it off if you try.

There's two types of mobile tethering, one involves connecting a device to a mobile via the USB port, the other involves using the mobile to make a personal wifi hotspot which allows the device to connect to it.

Both allow the mobile phone to share it's internet connection. You don’t need to put the SIM in anything else.

d123 wrote: »

There are NO unlimited data allowances anymore (at least none without a FUP that will cut you off for usage in the 10-20GB level).

I think that's just wrong.

d123

grumbler wrote: »

I had a brief look at '3' AYCE and they say no FUP and 1000Gb IIRC.

Using in a camera type device would constitute tethering, check the t&c's.

3 PAYG is handset data only.

d123

morphy_richards wrote: »

There's two types of mobile tethering, one involves connecting a device to a mobile via the USB port, the other involves using the mobile to make a personal wifi hotspot which allows the device to connect to it.

There is also Bluetooth tethering, so what? All tethering is either banned on a sim or severely restricted, for example, Three contracts are now limited to either 2GB or 4GB of any type of tethering,

Both allow the mobile phone to share it's internet connection. You don’t need to put the SIM in anything else.

Again, so what, any and all tethering and any use not in a handset is banned (and detectable) by the networks. The only unlimited available is mobile handset data exclusively consumed on the handset only. People are beginning to discover that the new systems on Three pick up tethering on a PAYG sim quite quickly now (if not instantly), especially where there is heavy usage or computer tethering.

I think that's just wrong.

Well, if you know everything why ask?

grumbler

d123 wrote: »

Using in a camera type device would constitute tethering, check the t&c's.

3 PAYG is handset data only.

What if it's a phone or (theoretically) a USB camera?

Also, AYCE can be a contract, not necessarily PAYG, and I don't see any difference in the T&C

• > All-you-can-eat terms conditions

Neither I see 'tethering' and definition of tethering, but I might be looking in the wrong place.

d123

grumbler wrote: »

What if it's a phone or (theoretically) a USB camera?

That isn't the question in the OP.

Edit to add: a USB camera would still constitute tethering.

morphy_richards wrote: »

I'm helping with a charity that wants to install a wildlife streaming video camera in a remote location. The obvious solution is to use a 3G/4G dongle.

I've been scouring the web for uncapped dongle data deals,

I also doubt any handset is capable of being used as a wildlife camera in that way.

grumbler wrote: »

Also, AYCE can be a contract, not necessarily PAYG, and I don't see any difference in the T&C

• > All-you-can-eat terms conditions

Neither I see 'tethering', but I might be looking in the wrong place.

Here is one example:

All-you-can-eat data on Pay As You Go.
If you want all-you-can-eat data on our current Pay As You Go tariff, you'll need to buy an All in One Add-on. It gives you all the internet use you need when you’re in the UK. With all-you-can-eat data you can use as much data as you want. This means you can use your smartphone as you like - so you can download apps, browse the web, look at maps and check your emails as often as you like without worrying about going over your data allowance.

You get all-you-can-eat data when you buy an All in One 15 or an All in One 25 Add-on. Our All in One Add-ons are a great way to get more minutes and texts than you’d get with a regular top-up.

How to top-up and buy an Add-on.
Check which Pay As You Go tariff you're on.

Tethering isn't included on Pay As You Go and TrafficSense™ applies to all our tariffs. Find out how we use TrafficSense™ to protect your experience.

http://support.three.co.uk/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBISAPI.DLL?Command=New,Kb=Mobile,Ts=Mobile,T=Article,varset_cat=payasyougo,varset_subcat=4124,Case=obj(4097)

Im not sure if the link will work, it's under "All-you-can-eat data on Pay As You Go" in Support.

morphy_richards

d123 wrote: »

Well, if you know everything why ask?

Actually, by pointing out that there are no unlimited dongles you got me thinking about alternatives.

Apologies for coming across as contrary to everything you say but you seem to mostly say "no you cant". Mostly, actually, you will find that "yes you can"

Looking a bit deeper, looks like the standard tethering options can be charged but there is software such as "pdanet" which gets round this. Networks used to bar this apparently but got told this was unfair so made to lift it so nothing they can do about it. Cant find the link now.

Best option will be to try to get official support / sponsorship from someone like Three but if that fails I'll try this.

Thanks and best.

d123

morphy_richards wrote: »

Actually, by pointing out that there are no unlimited dongles you got me thinking about alternatives.

Apologies for coming across as contrary to everything you say but you seem to mostly say "no you cant". Mostly, actually, you will find that "yes you can"

Looking a bit deeper, looks like the standard tethering options can be charged but there is software such as "pdanet" which gets round this. Networks used to bar this apparently but got told this was unfair so made to lift it so nothing they can do about it. Cant find the link now.

Best option will be to try to get official support / sponsorship from someone like Three but if that fails I'll try this.

Thanks and best.

I'm sorry I come across as "no, you can't" unfortunately it's because it really is the case there is no way to do it.

PDANet worked by masking the fact it was tethered data and the APN in use, unfortunately it is becoming less reliable as the networks have improved their systems that monitor for tethering. PDANet has no special dispensation to work unfortunately (they wouldn't, as they are actually circumventing something specifically prohibited by the network), and if noticed will get the sim deactivated pretty quickly.

There really is no way to run a high GB using tethered device anymore, the systems are becoming extremely good at picking it up, and the networks will stop the tether and eventually just bar the sim if you were to continue.

Have you considered some sort of motion detection camera system that only transmits when there is motion in the area? That might bring you down to a level that might be usable on a PAYG broadband sim.