Planning permission and enforcement notice

Nobbie1967

It sounds pretty simple to me, do as they say and remove all the residential items from the stable. You say you need to be there for kidding, so you need to be awake for this so no need for any bedding materials. No need for dogs either, you generally wouldn't take them to work with you, so leave them at home to sleep. Report any unwanted visitors to the police. I'm not surprised the local planning department are suspicious, as they probably think you'll gradually start living there full time and then try to get change of use based on the fact that you have been living there for X years. You'd be surprised how devious some people can be;)

mart6

martindow wrote: »

Sorry to be blunt OP, but it is your choice to keep goats there. If you propose a farming activity that obliges you to be in residence it is unwise to use premises where this is not permitted.

The price you paid no doubt reflected the planning issue. As a residence it would probably have cost a lot more.

How many new business have the £750,000+ to go that route ?
No new bis will be viable with overheads like that
They dont want me passing the viability test thats for sure.
No logic to it imo.
I can site a temporary mobile home for sessonal staff without planning
i can site a caravan for staff changing room/eating ect.
I always intended to go the 5 hecter route its in hand then i build barn and can site temp mobile home while its built.

mart6

Nobbie1967 wrote: »

It sounds pretty simple to me, do as they say and remove all the residential items from the stable. You say you need to be there for kidding, so you need to be awake for this so no need for any bedding materials. No need for dogs either, you generally wouldn't take them to work with you, so leave them at home to sleep. Report any unwanted visitors to the police. I'm not surprised the local planning department are suspicious, as they probably think you'll gradually start living there full time and then try to get change of use based on the fact that you have been living there for X years. You'd be surprised how devious some people can be;)

Only reason i take dogs is i am often here for 8 - 10 hours at a time soppose i can leave them in the car/van .
I understand the councils view to a point, but refusing to give me a bis address when i pass criteria is a joke.There are a few other bits and pieces.
Whole thing looks so amateur to me they keep quoteing country to policy DM2 OF COUNCIL LOCAL DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK
which isThe conversion of modern purpose- built agricultral buildings for residential purposes will not be supported.
But thats not what the latest goverment policy says.
Now i now it is a stable but why keep quoting that?
I did read something about it being brick it may have a different angle, but i do not need planning to use it for agricultral use anyway.
Worst case senario in 8 years if nothing changes i gain right to convert stable into a house anyway because its been used as a agricutral building

Davesnave

mart6 wrote: »

How many new business have the £750,000+ to go that route ?

Since when did one need £750k to buy a few acres and a tied bungalow, which is all anyone needs to start out?

I have that, and I paid way less than half the figure above.

It's all about location.

You can buy a 15 acre farm for £300k if you locate in a place where farms are commonplace.

mart6

Davesnave wrote: »

Since when did one need £750k to buy a few acres and a tied bungalow, which is all anyone needs to start out?

I have that, and I paid way less than half the figure above.

It's all about location.

You can buy a 15 acre farm for £300k if you locate in a place where farms are commonplace.

There lies a couple of issues
Can not really relocate couple of reasons beyond my control
If you buy a place with a few acres as you put it, you need to be in a location where more land is available when you need to expand.
Jokes aside i spent two and a half years looking for something that suited
within a decent price range with the possibility to aquire aditional land when required. May be the 750k was on high side but 300k would not do it

patman99

You said that it took months for the Council to decide on the RPP. Councils have an 8-week timescale to decide all planning matters. If they go beyond this, PP is deemed to be granted (used to be a local Councillor).

Anyway, you don't need kennels for your dogs. They can go ito the dayroom for a snooze if they want.
Good idea about 'double-shifting'. If there are the finances to employ someone (family member perhaps ?), then that may be the way forward. You always need to work-out how to get around the rules when dealing with Councils.

A chap in Essex got told to remove the ICUs he was using as water butts as they didn't comply with PP for the site. He went to the local scrappy, got hold of a couple of old trailers and stuck the ICUs on them.
They then became bowsers. No PP needed and problem solved.

Freecall

patman99 wrote: »

Councils have an 8-week timescale to decide all planning matters. If they go beyond this, PP is deemed to be granted (used to be a local Councillor).

Not the case.

I thought I should correct. It is true that for most planning applications there is an 8 week government target but beyond this the PP is not deemed to be granted.

After 8 weeks the applicant has the right to appeal to Her Majesty's Planning Inspectorate for non-determination. An Inspector will be appointed and will determine the application in place of the local planning authority.

See here for details.

mart6

Intresting points but they delayed accepting the online application by 1 month asking for a different plan.
Worst thing is i went in and had a hour and twenty min meeting to see if we could reach a compromise.
They sort of agreed if i used the store room agreed not to use any more and not place a caravan they would go with it, never trusted a word guy said he would not even look me in the eye.
He spent 10 mins argueing over 5 hectre preditermind planning was clueless had to get book out and look it up and then said i was correct lol.
Worst still when they turned down retrospective planning i rang them and said what about the meeting he denied it took place... lol
Hit the roof when i said i had taped it for my benifit.
Said you can not use that at a planning appeal as i never informed him i was recording them lol.

mart6

patman 99
Thats why system is flawed one time of day you could go before a planning commitee with local councillors on it they could over ride planning officers.
Now if head planning officer does not like plan your stuffed.
Already been doing the shift thing anyway sort of.
I am going to appeal the enforcement i think anyway nothing to loose really.
If i employ someone i can site caravan for seasonal work ie kidding.
They said they would prefer me to use room to a caravan for planning,stuff em now gloves are off.
Even considering splitting place into 20 plots putting each in a different family members name then you can stay in a caravan 28 days in a year without planning.
Let them sort out which plot on what day.
Like you say always a angle somewhere
Think they would prefer travellers on it if noones here it will happen they tried once

AdrianC

mart6 wrote: »

There lies a couple of issues
Can not really relocate couple of reasons beyond my control
If you buy a place with a few acres as you put it, you need to be in a location where more land is available when you need to expand.

To be perfectly honest, that means your business plan isn't viable, for you, where you are.
It's not the council's problem.

Jokes aside i spent two and a half years looking for something that suited
within a decent price range with the possibility to aquire aditional land when required. May be the 750k was on high side but 300k would not do it

Then you aren't looking in the right parts of the country. Again, that just means that your business plan isn't viable for you, because you can't relocate to somewhere where you can buy the property you need at a price that's viable.

Back to your original post...

its in green belt

Think about that for a minute. Think about the reasons why the green belts were established. As somebody who wants to get into an agricultural business, you must be able to understand them better than somebody thinking purely from a residential p-o-v, so you should be thankful that the council's hot on protecting the green belt.