Parking Fines.

mickaveli2001

Ignore it. Or you could write to them and ask you to send the bilateral agreement between you. Give them 14 days to respond before 'closing' the matter. Take charge of the situation.


These parasites (because that's what they are) want to try and trick you into contract. That is it. I always tend to write to them, just so that they're wasting just as much time as me, to gain nothing in the end. But of course, you can ignore it, and treat it as the junk mail that it is

enfield_freddy

lfc-rule wrote: »

Cannot find answer anywhere so will ask here, relative has been fined £30 for parking outside of parking bay line it's not a LA carpark and privately run. She has actually parked on the line not going over the lines outer edge and into the next bay. Is this classed as outside or do the wheels need to be completely within the inner edge of line (has photo proof to send them)
Many thanks in advance for any help offered.

please start a new thread , and name the car parking company , ignoring PPCs is not recommended those days , unless you are in Scotland .


You should also not ignore if its a lease/hire car etc

Ralph-y

mickaveli2001 will you please stop with ignore advice ........ it is incorrect.

lfc-rule please read through the newbie thread

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4816822

in which it will all become apparent ...

it includes the advice to start your own thread so as to not confuse matters ....

Ralph:cool:

pogofish

lfc-rule wrote: »

Cannot find answer anywhere so will ask here,

But you clearly agreed not to hijack threads....?

Anyway this thread is so full of rubbish advice its better you go and read the Newbies Sticky - which should answer all you questions, then start your own thread for further help and best quality advice!.

Fruitcake

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

Ignore it. Or you could write to them and ask you to send the bilateral agreement between you. Give them 14 days to respond before 'closing' the matter. Take charge of the situation.


These parasites (because that's what they are) want to try and trick you into contract. That is it. I always tend to write to them, just so that they're wasting just as much time as me, to gain nothing in the end. But of course, you can ignore it, and treat it as the junk mail that it is

No, do not ignore it. The law changed in 2012 and ignoring a private parking ticket will cause you grief and cost you money.

Never, ever, ever ignore a private parking ticket.

Fruitcake

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

We need to check if the court is handled by an authentic judge, either residential or floating, or whether it is the company hiring a room out for the day with a legal administrator overlooking the proceedings. I would guess the latter, seeing how the council also deceitfully get people into court using this method.


PCN's are fairly easy, a lot easier than council issues parking tickets, x2 of which I have eliminated in the past. The basic structure of the rules does not change, only the processes (to confuse)

The court, if a PCN ends up in court, is the Small Claims Court. It is a real court with real judges.

The appeal to the parking company and then the ATA are not court related and not legally binding on the motorist, but a small claims court judgement is.

mickaveli2001

I'm assuming that they haven't known the full intricacies of the procedures.


Even the local councils do not take you to a real court proceeding, even though you go to a real court, get real court-looking papers beforehand, none of it is legitimate. What it is (and I know this from experience) is councils hiring out a court room for the day, and having legal administrators play the role of 'judge'. They don't tell you this, I mean why would they? I contacted the courts to find if I had a court session under them, they did not. In fact the signature and name on the paper I had wasn't even a 'sheriff' (judge in Scotland) meaning that it wasn't even genuine but this is what they do. By deception. Private parking companies have also taken this 'hiring court rooms' stance. Be very careful of those who follow 'new' rules, because the rules aren't always set out to help you or I, and sometimes shouldn't even be followed as they are a sure way to entrap you, making it impossible to wriggle out of.


1st thing is, get the information of who the company is, what it says on the letter. Scan it if you can - blackening out any sensitive information and we can take it from there. Rules will always change to confuse people, but the basic structure of contractual law remains the same, and has done for hundreds of years

The_Deep

We need to check if the court is handled by an authentic judge, either residential or floating, or whether it is the company hiring a room out for the day with a legal administrator overlooking the proceedings. I would guess the latter, seeing how the council also deceitfully get people into court using this method.

So, who do you think shot the President?

mickaveli2001

Fruitcake wrote: »

The court, if a PCN ends up in court, is the Small Claims Court. It is a real court with real judges.

The appeal to the parking company and then the ATA are not court related and not legally binding on the motorist, but a small claims court judgement is.

Never appeal to their 'charges'. Appealing is submission by default and acceptance of their position in final decision, when that decision is yours to make.


Under all the layers of new rules, the primary contractual element remains the same. Otherwise, I could put up a notice on my front door claiming that anyone who knocks on it agrees to a charge of £50. The only way I'm realistically getting £50 from anyone who knocks on my door is through their ignorance, their fear, and through manipulation and deceit, even if I pay £20 for a small claims letter to be sent, I've still made £30. Clearly there are a small minority who know how to get out of these things, but the masses who don't far outweigh those that do, and it makes it a very profitable racket .

enfield_freddy

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

I'm assuming that they haven't known the full intricacies of the procedures.


Even the local councils do not take you to a real court proceeding, even though you go to a real court, get real court-looking papers beforehand, none of it is legitimate. What it is (and I know this from experience) is councils hiring out a court room for the day, and having legal administrators play the role of 'judge'. They don't tell you this, I mean why would they? I contacted the courts to find if I had a court session under them, they did not. In fact the signature and name on the paper I had wasn't even a 'sheriff' (judge in Scotland) meaning that it wasn't even genuine but this is what they do. By deception. Private parking companies have also taken this 'hiring court rooms' stance. Be very careful of those who follow 'new' rules, because the rules aren't always set out to help you or I, and sometimes shouldn't even be followed as they are a sure way to entrap you, making it impossible to wriggle out of.

must of missed that one , can you give me an example of where this has happened?