Dla/ca

Poppie68

50Twuncle wrote: »

It would only be fair if the GP knew each patient to the same level - Many disabled people do not go to their GPs regularly - so would need an "annual assessment" again putting extra workload on the GP -The numbers would potentially be on average 400 claimants per GP - That is a huge number
I am not saying that it would not work - but would you like to be a GP - responsible not only for 1600 non-disabled people but also responsible for the financial well-being of around 400 disabled people ?
I certainly wouldn't ....

GPS are already responsible for these patients they can report on hospital appointments and surgery visits. GPS are now calling in these patients to complete a Care Plan were their disabilities are discussed and action plans made. If you haven't been called in ring your surgery and ask for further information.

Indie_Kid

Poppie68 wrote: »

In regards to your GP and lack of contact.well most people will also have hospital records or original diagnosis for the GP to produce a letter.

And most of us don't. As I've said, most of us are incureable. We have no reason to be seen by consultants.

I have a lot of letters from the hospital which just state my diagnosis and something about the tests they've done, which doesn't show a huge amount. I do remember a conversation years ago where the GP said that my care needs aren't the sort of thing she'd know - because there's nothing they can do and I won't touhc social services with a bargepole, (I'd rather struggle tbh) there's very little in the way of evidence.

I know that with one of the conditions I have, they're only aware of the range of problems I have, because I asked for an assessment and had to explain why I believe I met the criteria.

benniebert

Poppie68 wrote: »

GPS are already responsible for these patients they can report on hospital appointments and surgery visits. GPS are now calling in these patients to complete a Care Plan were their disabilities are discussed and action plans made. If you haven't been called in ring your surgery and ask for further information.

I haven't heard that this is something that GP's have to do? Could you possibly enlighten us more by giving reference to the legal requirement for GP's to carry out it out, what is after all, something that is already carried out by Social Services?


I am fully aware that there is supposed to be ruling that those over 65 must have a nominated GP and that the patient has to be seen once a year for a 'MOT'. Whether you actually get called in or if you do, the chances of seeing the 'nominated GP' is probably 10/1 against. Have been to them five times in the past 6 months and every time it has been a poor English speaking locum that had to ask me what my historical health situation was - which took up over half of the allotted 10mins per consultation. Coming out I didn't know anything different than when I went in and swore that that was the last visit I would make - until the next time.


I will be popping in to my surgery tomorrow and will ask why myself and wife haven't had an annual care and action plan set up as someone on the MSE website said that you had to do one. I know what the answer will be before I ask the question.

benniebert

Indie_Kid wrote: »

And most of us don't. As I've said, most of us are incureable. We have no reason to be seen by consultants.

I have a lot of letters from the hospital which just state my diagnosis and something about the tests they've done, which doesn't show a huge amount. I do remember a conversation years ago where the GP said that my care needs aren't the sort of thing she'd know - because there's nothing they can do and I won't touhc social services with a bargepole, (I'd rather struggle tbh) there's very little in the way of evidence.

I know that with one of the conditions I have, they're only aware of the range of problems I have, because I asked for an assessment and had to explain why I believe I met the criteria.

Absolutely correct - that is the Status Quo for most of us. My problems go back 20 years, and for most of them I have no further intervention other than a regular supply of drugs. To suggest that GP's and hospitals are always on top of their game is a nonsense. Personally I don't even bother complaining or seeking any further help anymore. As for the confirmed life continuing conditions, no one is interested. We are expected to put up with them and get on with living with them. Our GP's would only know what I was like up to 20 years ago, they certainly have no idea about how our lives are now and presumably they aren't interested either.

Poppie68

benniebert wrote: »

I haven't heard that this is something that GP's have to do? Could you possibly enlighten us more by giving reference to the legal requirement for GP's to carry out it out, what is after all, something that is already carried out by Social Services?


I am fully aware that there is supposed to be ruling that those over 65 must have a nominated GP and that the patient has to be seen once a year for a 'MOT'. Whether you actually get called in or if you do, the chances of seeing the 'nominated GP' is probably 10/1 against. Have been to them five times in the past 6 months and every time it has been a poor English speaking locum that had to ask me what my historical health situation was - which took up over half of the allotted 10mins per consultation. Coming out I didn't know anything different than when I went in and swore that that was the last visit I would make - until the next time.


I will be popping in to my surgery tomorrow and will ask why myself and wife haven't had an annual care and action plan set up as someone on the MSE website said that you had to do one. I know what the answer will be before I ask the question.

Someone's getting their knickers in a twist....:rotfl:

We're does it say it's a legal requirement, please enlighten me? GPS are complitingCare Plans for patients that suffer from life long illness/disabilities and or are of a greater risk of being admitted to hospital.
If your surgery is not implementing these Care Plans, they are either not taking part in the initiation or their CCG is slow at passing on information... Speak to your Surgery they maybe keen as this will be another target for them to work towards.



Just a quick comment...... No where in my post did I state that GP practices had to complete a Care Plan.... Please go to your Surgery tomorrow though and ask about them 'because someone on MSE said they HAD to do one' ...you would look a complete moron, and not because you asked for a Care Plan..Mr Obnoxious...

FBaby

If they go ahead and tax or means then it's not fair to include household income, it should be only the claimants income that is taken into account.

Can I ask what is the rationale behind this position? Genuinely curious. Every mean tested benefits are based on household income. CB can be lost when a resident step-parent earns over £60k even if both parents earn nothing. Are you saying that a disabled person should get top benefits even if their husband earn over £60k and have always supported them? What about DLA for children, should these be given even if parents earn a very good income and they actually don't spend more on the child than say on their other children?

Do some people have issues with disabled people having a bit of luzury in their life or something? Seems that some of you are really bitter.

I think you are looking at it from your own perspective. I personally don't have an issue with anyone having some luxuries, I have issues with some people on benefits enjoying many luxuries whilst others who really need additional income to cope with their disability don't get enough. Yes, I would rather see DLA re-directed so that someone could afford a bespoke wheelchair that means that they don't get dreadful sores on their bottom than someone with depression being able to go on a holiday abroad.

50Twuncle

I think that there are two completely different issues being discussed her - DLA and CA - I think that the one that is concerning us most is CA ?
CA is under threat of being completely lost by some carers - due to the governments "idea" that carers do not require the money - and if they make it means tested, it will save the country £millions ?
My wife has been claiming CA for the last 4 years and has only been able to earn a small amount to supplement our income, without it affecting CA (She was bringing in £55 per week) - she recently decided to give THAT up, to concentrate on caring for me - so if she loses this CA - What will she do ?
Try to find more employment, elsewhere ?
What will happen to me, when she is out ?

50Twuncle

Poppie68 wrote: »

Someone's getting their knickers in a twist....:rotfl:

We're does it say it's a legal requirement, please enlighten me? GPS are complitingCare Plans for patients that suffer from life long illness/disabilities and or are of a greater risk of being admitted to hospital.
If your surgery is not implementing these Care Plans, they are either not taking part in the initiation or their CCG is slow at passing on information... Speak to your Surgery they maybe keen as this will be another target for them to work towards.



Just a quick comment...... No where in my post did I state that GP practices had to complete a Care Plan.... Please go to your Surgery tomorrow though and ask about them 'because someone on MSE said they HAD to do one' ...you would look a complete moron, and not because you asked for a Care Plan..Mr Obnoxious...

My father-in-law is 87 and has not been to his GP (or hospital) for 35 years - he recently had a problem with his eye and was talked in to going to see his GP - Who said "Who are you" when he walked through the door !!
He has been registered with the surgery for 50 + years and his notes moved without him to 3 different surgery locations
What happens to his care plan ?

Poppie68

50Twuncle wrote: »

My father-in-law is 87 and has not been to his GP (or hospital) for 35 years - he recently had a problem with his eye and was talked in to going to see his GP - Who said "Who are you" when he walked through the door !!
He has been registered with the surgery for 50 + years and his notes moved without him to 3 different surgery locations
What happens to his care plan ?

What care plan???
Why would you father have a Care Plan in place?..Care plans are for people that require monitoring due to ongoing health problems that impact there daily life. There's much more to a Care Plan and what qualifies a patient but from what you have written about your father he wouldnt require one as he doesn't seem to have any ongoing health problems.

Poppie68

FBaby wrote: »

Can I ask what is the rationale behind this position? Genuinely curious. Every mean tested benefits are based on household income. CB can be lost when a resident step-parent earns over £60k even if both parents earn nothing. Are you saying that a disabled person should get top benefits even if their husband earn over £60k and have always supported them? What about DLA for children, should these be given even if parents earn a very good income and they actually don't spend more on the child than say on their other children?


I think you are looking at it from your own perspective. I personally don't have an issue with anyone having some luxuries, I have issues with some people on benefits enjoying many luxuries whilst others who really need additional income to cope with their disability don't get enough. Yes, I would rather see DLA re-directed so that someone could afford a bespoke wheelchair that means that they don't get dreadful sores on their bottom than someone with depression hbeing able to go on a holiday abroad.

Not all DLA/PIP claimants are life long beneficiaries many have worked up until there health changed and continuing in work was impossible. Their household then suffered the impact of losing a wage and many also have costly outgoings due to their health which DLA/PIPand ESA helps to pay for.

The government needs to leave the genuine disabled people alone and start looking at 'Benefit Families'.....
There are whole households that are on long term benefits will erroneous claim's who know the system inside and out and nobody tackles them, the government goes after the soft touches of society.