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Who will win the UK election ?
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IveSeenTheLight wrote: »I guess my point was that a lot was made before the vote about how the number and percentages of votes equated into seats, often citing that a smaller number / percentage returned a vastly different set of seats. (Compare SNP and UKIP if you will).
A lot was made that SNP did not hold the majority of the electorate in Scotland.
We'll it looks like the SNP have a 50.4% majority of the electorate in Scotland, whilst the Conservatives will govern with a minority electorate vote of only 36.8%
50.4% yet get 56/59 seats
36.8% yet get 325/650 (at the moment)
Wonder how happy the SNP would be with PR where seats allocated would reflect votes castSam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness:
People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.
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Well they only got a majority because they took so many seats off the LibDems.Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »Did not expect that this morning. Great news about George Galloway though.
Slightly alarmed at what an unfettered Tory government (the first of my adult lifetime) might do.
I'm sure all the "anti-Tory" voters in areas like the south west with loads of Tory/LD marginals are really pleased with themselves for punishing the LibDems by voting Labour or UKIP. They got rid of the coalition and replaced it with a Tory majority. Well done.0 -
50.4% yet get 56/59 seats
36.8% yet get 325/650 (at the moment)
Wonder how happy the SNP would be with PR where seats allocated would reflect votes cast
The SNP have it in their manifesto on principle.
Nicola Sturgeon has already confirmed that despite PR impacting the SNP's current standing, the SNP would still promote PR in politics as it is the right thing to do for the electorate.
The SNP would vote to introduce proportional representation at Westminster, Nicola Sturgeon confirmsThe SNP would vote to introduce proportional representation for Westminster elections, Nicola Surgeon has confirmed.
The Scottish First Minister said that she supported electoral reform despite her party being set to do very well out of the current system.
“I believe strongly in proportional representation. I believe there should be a direct relationship between the percentage of votes a party wins and the percentage of seats they win in whatever parliament the election is for,” she said.
“The polls suggest that my party might do well under first past the post on Thursday but I think if you believe in something in principle you should believe in that regardless of whether your party benefits from the current system.
“I support PR in principle, it’s in our manifesto, and the SNP would vote for it.”
Bet you won't see Cameron or Millibands replacement admitting that
Wouldn't it be great to have a UK parliament that acts fully on the behalf of all of the electorate:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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Which makes it safe for her to say she'll vote on it;) It won't happenIveSeenTheLight wrote: »The SNP have their manifesto on principle.
Nicola Sturgeon has already confirmed that despite PR impacting the SNP's current standing, the SNP would still promote PR in politics as it is the right thing to do for the electorate.
The SNP would vote to introduce proportional representation at Westminster, Nicola Sturgeon confirms
Bet you won't see Cameron or Millibands replacement admitting that
Based on current vote share under PR, we'd probably be looking at a Tory/UKIP coalition. As a PR supporter that makes me shudder :eek:Wouldn't it be great to have a UK parliament that acts fully on the behalf of all of the electorate0 -
IveSeenTheLight wrote: »The SNP have their manifesto on principle.
Nicola Sturgeon has already confirmed that despite PR impacting the SNP's current standing, the SNP would still promote PR in politics as it is the right thing to do for the electorate.
The SNP would vote to introduce proportional representation at Westminster, Nicola Sturgeon confirms
Bet you won't see Cameron or Millibands replacement admitting that
Wouldn't it be great to have a UK parliament that acts fully on the behalf of all of the electorate
As I say, if you have a two party plus noise system then FPTP works just fine. If you have a 6 party system you need some sort of system that approximates to divvying up seats aligned with votes.
I like the Greek idea where the leading party by popular vote gets bonus seats though.0 -
It won't happen Based on current vote share under PR, we'd probably be looking at a Tory/UKIP coalition. As a PR supporter that makes me shudder :eek:
To be fair, I think the strategy and votes would be vastly different under PR.
the MP's and parties would be looking to get every single vote, not just targetting seats where they think they can swing the electorate.
On another note though, I can't help but feel frustrated that once again, negative campaigning using fear and scaremongering has once again prevailed.
Why couldn't Cameron win based purely on his record and his manifesto? He's managed to turn it around by marketing fear for the potential opposition.:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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Clegg and Farage resign
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/may/08/election-2015-live-labour-and-libdems-crushed-in-shock-election-result
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32633719
Hurry up and do the same, Miliband
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Imagine someone holding forth on biology whose only knowledge of the subject is the Book of British Birds, and you have a rough idea of what it feels like to read Richard Dawkins on theology: Terry Eagleton0 -
seven-day-weekend wrote: »Clegg and Farage resign
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/may/08/election-2015-live-labour-and-libdems-crushed-in-shock-election-result
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32633719
Hurry up and do the same, Miliband
Mr F has said he'll stand again in the Autumn.0 -
As I say, if you have a two party plus noise system then FPTP works just fine. If you have a 6 party system you need some sort of system that approximates to divvying up seats aligned with votes.
I like the Greek idea where the leading party by popular vote gets bonus seats though.
Don't know enough about the Greek system.
What would be wrong with full PR i.e.
CON 36.8% = 240 seats
LAB 30.5% = 198 Seats
UKIP 12.6% = 92 Seats
LD 7.8% = 51 Seats
SNP 4.8% = 31 Seats
GRN 3.8% = 25 seats
Others = 33 Seats
It would possibly engage more of the public to come out and vote:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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