Who will win the UK election ?

Generali

michaels wrote: »

I am far from pro EU because I think it inevitably leads to a superstate, however I think a referendum is a bigger danger; voters will be bribed/bullied into a yes at which point it will be full speed federal Europe with foot dragging from the uk ignored because of the referendum result.

If it's any consolation, my reading of the views of the provincial French (supposedly very pro-Europe) are that they feel that things have gone too far as it is. The phrase I heard in a caf! once summed up a fair few conversations I've had: "We have given everything for Europe and got nothing".

I can't imagine that the Germans are terribly keen on more integration as they seem to think that they are going to be the ones to pick up the bill for every f.ckless Mediterranean stereotype.

Since Maastricht the EU has simply run ahead of Europeans. The opt-outs were a great service done by Britain's most underrated Government.

michaels

Generali wrote: »

If it's any consolation, my reading of the views of the provincial French (supposedly very pro-Europe) are that they feel that things have gone too far as it is. The phrase I heard in a caf! once summed up a fair few conversations I've had: "We have given everything for Europe and got nothing".

I can't imagine that the Germans are terribly keen on more integration as they seem to think that they are going to be the ones to pick up the bill for every f.ckless Mediterranean stereotype.

Since Maastricht the EU has simply run ahead of Europeans. The opt-outs were a great service done by Britain's most underrated Government.

Greece is already effectively run by EU/German dictat and France have found they have very limited freedom of maneuver on fiscal/competitiveness matters.

However the EU itself is set up in such a way as to be self reinforcing, the majority of the people involved have self selected because they support the concept they work there or stand for election hence there is then group think that EU is good and more EU is better. Thus there is very little chance of any sort of gradual turning of the ship, either it will steam off into the sunset or capsize altogether.

Cyberman60

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

Had a nice chat with the Labour chappie on my doorstep last night; after informing him I'd never voted Labour in my life and was not going to start now.

To be fair, I have no complaints at all about my Labour-run council, which has always dealt quickly with anything I've reported (fly tipping, malfunctioning street lights) and our library is open til 19.00 every weekday, which I think is great. And at least the local MP is born and bred.

I wish there were more strong independent candidates.

.. and I've no problem with my Tory council especially with the council tax having been frozen for the past five years. Returning to Labour waste again fills me with dread, as we currently have one of the lowest annual subsidies in the country due to efficient running of services.
I'm retired and cannot afford more ridiculous tax rises. :mad:

Cyberman60

michaels wrote: »

Personally I find it all hard to fathom, the coalition has been economically and socially hugely more successful than could possibly have been expected, the French experience and the current Greek situation demonstrate exactly what awaits any country that tries to impose equality of outcome via taxation or ignore the need to raise money to fund burrowing and yet it is the parties the champion these approaches (Labour and the SNP) that are the most popular adn the ones that suggest fiscal responsibility via tax increases or spending cuts (LDs and Tories) who having demonstrated that this works will lose most support.

Two approaches, recent evidence shows that one works and the other doesn't and yet the voters will choose the one that doesn't.

For me, does not compute.

Voters choose to protect and raise their benefits. If over 50% of the population are on benefits, as they are, and have become dependent they will vote selfishly..... sod the economy, national deficit, debt and jobs.

Labour have gerrymandered this situation over the years by encouraging dependancy through WTCs, unlimited child benefit, unlimited housing benefit etc. The only hope is a massive economic crash that kills benefits once and for all, and we may not be far away, but unfortunately there will be a fallout that will hit many hard that have never voted for Labour. Others deserve to be hit IMO for their greed and stupidity :

Five years under a Labour government will increase the National Debt by at least (5 years times 90 billion 450 million pounds, to just under 2 Trillion by my estimation, almost 200 million pounds more than a Tory government would add over that period.

The interest on that debt will be around 100 Billion a year, assuming a modest rise in interest rates. That would be almost the total spent on the NHS or three times the defence budget... on INTEREST !!! :mad:

We live in a crazy selfish socialist country.

padington

The penny has finally dropped and HPC gang throw in their towel, almost, holding out for one last and final hope, that a labour government will crash the market ...

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/204118-is-it-time-to-give-up/

It seemed like only a few years ago labour supporters would try and argue and labour is a safe pair of hands with the economy. Now the hope is the opposite.

Weird times we live in.

... Or am I failing to appreciate that the housing market and the economy are two different beasts entirely ?

Cyberman60

padington wrote: »

The penny has finally dropped and HPC gang throw in their towel, almost, holding out for one last and final hope, that a labour government will crash the market ...

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/204118-is-it-time-to-give-up/

It seemed like only a few years ago labour supporters would try and argue and labour is a safe pair of hands with the economy. Now the hope is the opposite.

Weird times we live in.

... Or am I failing to appreciate that the housing market and the economy are two different beasts entirely ?

Well, they are already crashing the market and they're not yet in power. It won't just be the housing market, but also the jobs market, and the investment market etc. That's what Liebore always do !! :rotfl:

Moby

Out on the stump today. Far more Labour posters and signs than selfservative one. I live in a marginal so may be good sign hopefully:T

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Out on the stump today. Far more Labour posters and signs than selfservative one. I live in a marginal so may be good sign hopefully:T

oh dear, no respect for the democratic rights of people to hold different views to yourself.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

oh dear, no respect for the democratic rights of people to hold different views to yourself.

Come on Clapton mate join the bandwagon you dry old stick!;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_RonXv8u78&feature=player_embedded

chucknorris

Miliband is now the current favourite on betfair's 'next prime minster market'!