Who will win the UK election ?

cepheus

Jason74 wrote: »

Which of course brings us to today. The "market is god, and inequality is OK" consensus is still holding for now, but the fact that the vote is split as it is says that this isn't as clear cut as it once was.

I don't think it's the average view to be honest. When people are asked about policies the electorate is more left wing than Labour.

The Public Are More Left-Wing Than Ed Miliband On These 11 Policies

Despite what it may seem like on here, Tory policies are largely redundant except to a privileged few.

There's something else which props up the Tories. Perhaps it's tradition, inertia, a mentality of being ruled by an elitist culture, ignorance that all parties are still the same (although with Blair it was true), or the free propaganda of the Tory biased media.

Thrugelmir

cepheus wrote: »

I don't think it's the average view to be honest. When people are asked about policies the electorate is far more left wing than Labour.

Left wing perhaps in mind. While living comfortably middle class lives.

Cyberman60

cepheus wrote: »

I don't think it's the average view to be honest. When people are asked about policies the electorate is far more left wing than Labour.

The Public Are More Left-Wing Than Ed Miliband On These 11 Policies

Despite what it may seem like on here, Tory policies are largely redundant except to a privileged few.

There's something else which props up the Tories. Perhaps it's tradition, inertia, a mentality of being ruled by an elitist culture, ignorance that all parties are still the same (although with Blair it was true), or the free propaganda of the Tory biased media.

That's hilarious. It is Tory policies over the past five years that have gone a long way to reducing the annual deficit and keeping the National Debt more manageable.

It's not just the privileged few that have received tax reductions, and the benefits of reducing waste in the public sector while also finding jobs that were simply not there five years ago.

It's Tory policies on the unions that has kept UK PLC relatively strike-free, and Tory tax and spending policies that encourage business, entrepreneurship, employment, low interest rates, a strong pound and economic growth. Surely the majority want that.

Labour policies encourage state dependency, debt and despair, and are certainly due for the scrap-heap !!! :rotfl:

cepheus

I'm just informing you how people feel about policies. This is another, when people are asked about policy without mention of party, this is who they choose.



It must be they prefer the data entry clerk George Osborne rather than the Harvard Kennedy Scholar Ed Balls; and this changes their mind back to the Tories! :rotfl: You can see his knowledge in this interview today, you could have used a talking doll in his place! :eek:

This is an appalling car crash of an interview from @George_Osborne. They're just making it up as they go along!

http://labourlist.org/2015/04/car-crash-osborne-interviews-leaves-him-unable-to-answer-nhs-funding-questions-18-times/ …

Yeah we had a sort of recovery, but Osborne made a hell of an attempt to stall it!

Why do Conservatives claim "economy was contracting when we came to power"? It took a dive after 2x Osborne budgets.

antrobus

Jason74 wrote: »

... If we're taking the historical parallel, I see this as being similar to 1974. Politics being based around an existing consensus, but significant discontent with the status quo leading to a situation where nobody can command enough support for effective Government.....

You mean we're about to get an absolutely carp Labour government run by a delusional paranoid, after which we call in the IMF?

Jason74 wrote: »

.. I think we'll have a similar outcome too, with a significant period of weak / ineffective government followed by someone eventually coming up with an approach that causes a fundamental shift in politics and attitudes. What that shift will be is of course another question altogether.

Well, I suppose BoJo will (probably) be back in the Commons. Perhaps he will take over and lead the Tories to a landslide victory in 2020, and usher in 17 years of Conservative government.

antrobus

cepheus wrote: »

....Yeah we had a sort of recovery, but Osborne made a hell of an attempt to stall it!

Why do Conservatives claim "economy was contracting when we came to power"? It took a dive after 2x Osborne budgets.

Your chart only shows the data up until the end of 2010. There was an election in May, and Osborne's first budget was in June 2010. I rather think your chart actually shows that the economy was contracting when the Conservatives took over.....

michaels

cepheus wrote: »

I don't think it's the average view to be honest. When people are asked about policies the electorate is more left wing than Labour.

The Public Are More Left-Wing Than Ed Miliband On These 11 Policies

Despite what it may seem like on here, Tory policies are largely redundant except to a privileged few.

There's something else which props up the Tories. Perhaps it's tradition, inertia, a mentality of being ruled by an elitist culture, ignorance that all parties are still the same (although with Blair it was true), or the free propaganda of the Tory biased media.

I take it back, I no longer agree that democracy is the worst system except for all the others. Perhaps the dumbing down of education standards via grade inflation under the Labour administrations was actually a double target policy - not only did it make it appear that education was improving but it also made sure that as many of the electorate as possible were innumerate....

cepheus wrote: »

Yeah we had a sort of recovery, but Osborne made a hell of an attempt to stall it!

Why do Conservatives claim "economy was contracting when we came to power"? It took a dive after 2x Osborne budgets.

Thank you for explaining it - had the coalition only decided to run a deficit of 12% of GDP for the last 5 years like Labour did in 2009/10 we would have been hugely better off today, just like the Greeks are

antrobus

... which is apart from the data shown on the chart is wrong.

Generali

michaels wrote: »

Thanks for this, interesting that Tories plus LD plus DUP is still nowhere near a workable majority.

Don't forget that Sinn Fein don't take their seats up so Parliament will sit with 645 MPs. Thus a mmajority is 323.

On these numbers Tory + LD + DUP = 318 seats. That really isn't far short of a majority.

Generali

Oh yes. Plus John Bercow. I think it's fair to say he'd support the Tories. Does the Speaker get to vote?