Landlord and Land Owner refusing to help with PCN

Coupon-mad

If permits have been issued then some parking rights have been enabled for residents (not ownership of a space but the 'right' to park has been permitted).

WarsawUK

I know, I don't plan on forking out anything and fighting this through if they take me to court. I just figured the landowner are the easiest bet of getting this taken care of before it reaches that stage

Coupon-mad

Good stuff.

The_Deep

If permits have been issued then some parking rights have been enabled for residents (not ownership of a space but the 'right' to park has been permitted).

That would surely depend on how OP came by the permit. If it was handed to him by the outgoing tenant, the concierge, the letting agent or the PPC, it would do nothing of the kind.

If it was sent under a covering letter from the Managing Agent it would. Remember, the AST says nothing about parking whatsoever.

WarsawUK

UPDATE:

Just had a reply from Landowner:

"Please refer to our previous emails; we do not get involved with parking Tickets.

We are sorry we are unable to help you with this matter"

Great

MothballsWallet

Coupon-mad wrote: »

You are aware you don't have to fork out anything and that DRP letters are not a real 'Letter before Claim' just a threat from a debt collector? It could have been ignored but for £700 it's possible PCM (not DRP!) may try a very rare court claim. Even if they do, DO NOT Pay them, come back here.

Just want to be sure you weren't thinking that if you get more letters that you have to pay because you don't, and DRP cannot start legal action as they are not a solicitor.

And, OP, remember that if you start getting letters from a company called Zenith, they are the same company as DRP, but are just trying to scare you into paying by pretending to be someone else.

(Which is very naughty of them.)

MothballsWallet

WarsawUK wrote: »

UPDATE:

Just had a reply from Landowner:

"Please refer to our previous emails; we do not get involved with parking Tickets.

We are sorry we are unable to help you with this matter"

Great

So would this mean that the landowner are trying to dodge their legal responsibilities then?

Their reply sounds like they care more about the income from the PPC than the people living / working on the land they own.

ManxRed

Ask them if they are aware of the Law of Agency.

The_Deep

You really need to play hardball with your landlord, as nice as he/she is as it appears that your AST is deficient wrt your parking rights. You need a copy of your landlord's lease, to see what restrictions have been placed on him/her.

If he is entitled to "quiet enjoyment" and no mention is made in it about parking permits. then those same conditions apply to you.

Why are you in contact the headlease holder? They have no obligation to deal with you at all. Any contact should be through the landlord. Get him/her to point out to them their responsibility for the M/A and their contractors.

PPC are there to manage the parking and keep the car parks free of trespassers, not harass the tenants of leaseholders.

ampersand

But they have no choice!

You didn't appoint a ppc to infest this site. If the Landowner did, or allowed or directed their managing agent, or the landlord[if not the same], to do so, they are responsible, and are involved, like it or not.

This 'as we do not manage parking disputes.' does not clarify who appointed those who create them, with scam invoices.
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Back to ? of your own lease/tenancy agreement[or that of your neighbour, #13]and that between your landlord and the landowner - have you had sight of any of these yet?

Although an English flatmate has checked your agreement, is he savvy with this or other Parking Forums?

Any doc you can show on pics here, redacted, would allow msers to assess its status.

You 'have a numbered space with permit.' Can you not keep it permanently on show? - 'sometimes I forget to keep permit on dashboard'. Is it a printed permit? Is it dated? Any issuer details? Anything that identifies you as legitimate permit holder?

A whitelist is called for. Whoever called the easy-money oicks in must direct them accordingly. But that's a future necessity.
We need to kick your current scam invoices into touch.

We really need to get to the bottom of who let CP Plus in.

The experts will be along. Stay strong.