Would not bother being a landlord again...

mchale

Pixie5740 wrote: »

Turning up uninvited to your tenant's home could be classed as harassment which is a criminal offence.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

mchale

45002 wrote: »

For Reference

Protection from Eviction Act 1977

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1977/43
Part I Unlawful Eviction and Harassment

Criminal law

Part 1 (3A) (a)

Civil Law

Part 1 (3C) (5)

So criminal or civil action or both could apply to a LL who keeps going around uninvited.

IMHO.

I think you missed the most important word in the act you quoted: "persistently" meaning it makes for a very very grey area in terms of "quiet enjoyment"

real1314

The claim that this LL knocking on a door for the first time to let the tenant know, face to face, rather than hiding behind letters, that they are wanting to end the tenency, could be treated as harrassment is utter nonsense.

Those claiming it is so are showing their true colours aka blind prejudice.

A form of communication is a form of communication. period.

Some forms of communication are deemed harrassment if performed in a particular way or continued after advice that they are not welcome.

None of these factors applies in this case.

Some people prefer face to face, some prefer letters, some like email, some like the phone. It's up to you which you opt for first and it's up to the recipient to tell you if they don't like it. There's nothing illegal or wrong about knocking on doors.

I deal with many people; by phone, email, letter and face to face. unless and until they suggest that any form is unwelcome, or if I were to conduct any in a way that a reasonable person might deem inappropriate, none are harrassment.

OP - ignore the prejudiced people. You've done nothing wrong.
I've got 2 kids - they weren't allowed to crayon on walls at will, nor should your tenants kids. They should return the property in the state it was let, subject to reasonable wear and tear - this does not mean damage by inappropriate acts.

martin1959

fishpond wrote: »

Hi Martin
You posted "The let has been managed throughout by a well establish lettings agency. Of course the deposit was handled in accordance with legislation"
Question:-
When your tenants started their second AST, was the deposit prescribed information reissued?

For info, I am a landlord:)

Yes, they were issued with a new contract we both signed which confirmed the new deposit payable and details of how it is protected by a deposit protection scheme.

fishpond

Thats a result, let alone from an agent.:beer:

martin1959

Sorry I forgot.... we did pop round on two previous occasions in Dec 13 and Dec 14, but never stepped foot inside, to drop off a Christmas card and presents for the children.


Maybe I am not an experienced landlord, but I wanted to be a fair one. I would have loved to let them stay longer, but for health reasons need to bring our plans forward.

fishpond

I for one, fully appreciate what you have done and why.
My wife used to be the same as yourselves, then having been bitten by one tenant, it was deemed prudent to keep out of the way unless called for and to do everything by the book.
Sad, but that is the way we find we have to do it.
If the health problems revolve around stress and worry, then maybe this isn't your future.

duchy

It's very nice wanting to be fair ....and even civilized but the most reasonable seeming people will dig their heels in when their lives are disrupted by a LL wanting a property back earlier than originally implied.

Landlords are not as a collective held in high regard by the rest of society so people often feel they are fair game when it comes to ending a tenancy to suit themselves rather than the LL- especially when they know the LL isn't planning on moving straight in themselves so doesn't have the same level of "need".

You can keep your head in the clouds, book your builders for the day after the tenancy end date .......or you can be a realist and accept not everything in life will happen just the way you hope just because you want it to.

45002

mchale wrote:

I think you missed the most important word in the act you quoted: "persistently" meaning it makes for a very very grey area in terms of "quiet enjoyment"

I was referring to Part 1 (3A) (a) and not Part 1 (3A) (b) I do understand your point
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martin1959 wrote:

Yes, they were issued with a new contract we both signed which confirmed the new deposit payable and details of how it is protected by a deposit protection scheme.

martin1959 wrote:

Sorry I forgot.... we did pop round on two previous occasions in Dec 13 and Dec 14, but never stepped foot inside, to drop off a Christmas card and presents for the children.


Maybe I am not an experienced landlord, but I wanted to be a fair one. I would have loved to let them stay longer, but for health reasons need to bring our plans forward.

martin1959

You do realizes if your tenants don't leave of there own free will by the end of March, assuming the dates on s21 are correct and deposit protected in the correct way.

You will have to apply to CC for a possession order and if tenants do not leave by date ordered by court, you will have to apply to court again for bailiffs to remove them...

It could be a lot longer than March before you get possession of your property back !

ognum

martin1959 wrote: »

Sorry I forgot.... we did pop round on two previous occasions in Dec 13 and Dec 14, but never stepped foot inside, to drop off a Christmas card and presents for the children.


Maybe I am not an experienced landlord, but I wanted to be a fair one. I would have loved to let them stay longer, but for health reasons need to bring our plans forward.

Martin
I kind of understand your need to be friendly but providing someone with a place to live is not about friendship, it's a buisness.
I do send my tenants a Christmas card and a bottle of booze but never knock on the door, my letting agent takes it to them.
It's not easy detaching your self as a LL but that's what you have to do.
Today has been spent working on a new property, it will be perfect when I hand it over, when I get it back, who knows.