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Switching off someone else's ignition
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The OP was talking about a cyclist perceiving having been put at risk by a motorist's dangerous driving. They may be right, they may not. Another poster has already given a scenario with a very similar perception, which was actually nothing of the kind.
One thing's for certain - almost every dashcam/headcam video I've ever seen of such incidents show the reality to be MUCH more shades-of-grey than the original claims.
I'm sure we'll soon see the video if the OP has it.
I don't ever chase encounters with motorists, but I have come alongside one or two at traffic lights, or when we've both been required to come to a stop because they've pulled across my path or pulled out from a junction. TBH opening a conversation is not worth the grief, because 9 out of 10 such conversations just get heated. I usually smile and allow them to pass in the hope that they recognise and address their poor observation or concentration.Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.0 -
I'm sure we'll soon see the video if the OP has it.
I don't ever chase encounters with motorists, but I have come alongside one or two at traffic lights, or when we've both been required to come to a stop because they've pulled across my path or pulled out from a junction. TBH opening a conversation is not worth the grief, because 9 out of 10 such conversations just get heated. I usually smile and allow them to pass in the hope that they recognise and address their poor observation or concentration.
It isnt the fact that opening a conversation isnt worth the grief, its the wrong thing to do and will always come across as confrontational. be this a driver giving the lecture or a cyclist.0 -
...but not control it enough to decide the "discussion" just wasn't worth the time, effort or risk.And apparently, they get rather angry at being presented with a near death experience caused by one of the aforementioned road users; although are able to appropriately control their anger once they catch up with the driver to discuss the incident.0 -
Well, since arguments seem to be going in 'that direction'; the cyclist in this case has no axe to grind against motorists, and they themself drive a 300 horsepower BMW 5-series.
They would just rather that all users would share the roads and get along, and that the minority of really bad road users who value a few seconds over human life wouldn't use the roads.
And apparently, they get rather angry at being presented with a near death experience caused by one of the aforementioned road users; although are able to appropriately control their anger once they catch up with the driver to discuss the incident.
Doesnt usually work that way , if a man were to come that close to me , i`d put him on his backside before he`d opened his mouth , no way i`m waiting for him to do me in firstNever, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.0 -
...but not control it enough to decide the "discussion" just wasn't worth the time, effort or risk.
Oh, look, a fine example...Doesnt usually work that way , if a man were to come that close to me , i`d put him on his backside before he`d opened his mouth , no way i`m waiting for him to do me in first
Assault first, ask questions later.
"But I was only going to tell you that your brake lights aren't working!"0 -
It isnt the fact that opening a conversation isnt worth the grief, its the wrong thing to do and will always come across as confrontational. be this a driver giving the lecture or a cyclist.
Human nature can be tricky to manage and control.
My latest dangerous encounter was in a rural village when an elderly male pulled out on me in his Honda Jazz sharply causing me to brake and swerve. I then overtook him because he was only doing 12 to 15 mph, and raised a hand of exasperation as I passed. I then became aware that a Land Rover Discovery had overtaken the Jazz too, and then pulled alongside me. He had the passenger window down, shouting at me about picking on old folks. I shouted back at him saying "it's nothing to do with you" and told him to move on. He then squeezed me into the grass verge, where I nearly fell off. He then drove off.
I visited the driver that night while on duty and had a conversation with him about his driving. Apparently the oldies in the Jazz were his elderly parents. He apologised and accepted that he had succumbed to road rage. He genuinely seemed deeply shocked that he had acted in such a dangerous way.
I think that the right conversation can have benefits, especially if it can make the errant road user think twice about doing the same thing again in the same circumstance.
But mostly they're a waste of time, especially in the heat of the moment.Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.0 -
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Human nature can be tricky to manage and control.
My latest dangerous encounter was in a rural village when an elderly male pulled out on me in his Honda Jazz sharply causing me to brake and swerve. I then overtook him because he was only doing 12 to 15 mph, and raised a hand of exasperation as I passed. I then became aware that a Land Rover Discovery had overtaken the Jazz too, and then pulled alongside me. He had the passenger window down, shouting at me about picking on old folks. I shouted back at him saying "it's nothing to do with you" and told him to move on. He then squeezed me into the grass verge, where I nearly fell off. He then drove off.
I visited the driver that night while on duty and had a conversation with him about his driving. Apparently the oldies in the Jazz were his elderly parents. He apologised and accepted that he had succumbed to road rage. He genuinely seemed deeply shocked that he had acted in such a dangerous way.
I think that the right conversation can have benefits, especially if it can make the errant road user think twice about doing the same thing again in the same circumstance.
But mostly they're a waste of time, especially in the heat of the moment.
I hope you're not misusing the PNC.0 -
I don't see any misuse there.Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »I hope you're not misusing the PNC.
A few years ago, I had somebody take great exception to me overtaking them on a two-lane dual carriageway. First, they pulled out right in front of me, forcing me to brake hard. Then, once I'd passed them, they pulled out right behind me and tried to ram me from behind, then once I pulled back in to L1, they pulled alongside and tried to push me into the verge whilst the passenger filmed/took my photo with a mobile. Idiot chav teenagers? No. Late middle-aged couple in a Mercedes with a two-digit-two-letter private plate. Nice and easy to remember. I phoned the police, and reported it. A traffic Sergeant called me back shortly after, and we had a conversation about it. We agreed prosecution would be a waste of time without any evidence, but did promise faithfully to visit them (it was locally registered) and have a rather formal conversation with them.
That, imho, is exactly what SHOULD happen in situations like that. Was it misuse of the PNC? Not one bit.
The only difference, I'm presuming, in Brat's situation is that the Policeman having the conversation was also the road user involved.0 -
I don't see any misuse there.
A few years ago, I had somebody take great exception to me overtaking them on a two-lane dual carriageway. First, they pulled out right in front of me, forcing me to brake hard. Then, once I'd passed them, they pulled out right behind me and tried to ram me from behind, then once I pulled back in to L1, they pulled alongside and tried to push me into the verge whilst the passenger filmed/took my photo with a mobile. Idiot chav teenagers? No. Late middle-aged couple in a Mercedes with a two-digit-two-letter private plate. Nice and easy to remember. I phoned the police, and reported it. A traffic Sergeant called me back shortly after, and we had a conversation about it. We agreed prosecution would be a waste of time without any evidence, but did promise faithfully to visit them (it was locally registered) and have a rather formal conversation with them.
That, imho, is exactly what SHOULD happen in situations like that. Was it misuse of the PNC? Not one bit.
The only difference, I'm presuming, in Brat's situation is that the Policeman having the conversation was also the road user involved.
His professional standards department might.
What if the driver hadn't taken it well and complained he'd come round and threatened him?0
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