Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

kabayiri

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

Product details

• Format Hardback | 272 pages
• Dimensions 144 x 216 x 32mm | 459.99g
• Publication date 07 Apr 2015
• Publisher HarperCollins Publishers
• Imprint William Collins
• Publication City/Country London, United Kingdom
• Language English
• ISBN10 0008139768
• ISBN13 9780008139766
• Sales rank 81,075

Cheers for that

Where can I find it?

Is it in the fiction section?

Oh. Fantasy you say?

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

That's a difficult question to answer.
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Not really.

Generali is looking for a number; an estimate; a guess if you like; a range of guesses if you prefer.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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Independence at any price no. But people imo will vote politically and emotionally regardless of any economist's price. As has been shown throughout history with other countries gaining their own independence. Is not always about the money. In fact, it very rarely is.

The USA being an example of a country where the individual countries gave up independence and so collectively became the richest and most powerful country in the world.
Of course there are still some extreme racist right wing groups that want to opt out of the USA. So not only about the money.

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

The USA being an example of a country where the individual countries gave up independence and so collectively became the richest and most powerful country in the world.
Of course there are still some extreme racist right wing groups that want to opt out of the USA. So not only about the money.

I travel to the USA umpteen times a year and dont think it is a good example of why Scotland should be part of this union.

Its an extremely unequal country which offers some seriously low paid, perilously insecure employment. A great many people are struggling to get by in the heartlands, even if they aren't buried under medical bills and student loan debt.

Its ok if you are rich, but then most things are.

Ironically, most ordinary Americans would be vastly better off if they were still ruled from Westminster, so maybe it is an argument for staying.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I travel to the USA umpteen times a year and dont think it is a good example of why Scotland should be part of this union.

Its an extremely unequal country which offers some seriously low paid, perilously insecure employment. A great many people are struggling to get by in the heartlands, even if they aren't buried under medical bills and student loan debt.

Its ok if you are rich, but then most things are.

Ironically, most ordinary Americans would be vastly better off if they were still ruled from Westminster, so maybe it is an argument for staying.

I'm glad you are acknowledging implicitly that the UK has no insecure employment or anyone struggling in the heartlands.
Comes as a pleasant surprise.

However my point was to challenge the nonsense 'historic' narrative of the SNP acolytes.

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

I'm glad you are acknowledging implicitly that the UK has no insecure employment or anyone struggling in the heartlands.
Comes as a pleasant surprise.

However my point was to challenge the nonsense 'historic' narrative of the SNP acolytes.

You really just can't have a normal conversation, can you?

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You really just can't have a normal conversation, can you?

the issue was about

As has been shown throughout history with other countries gaining their own independence. Is not always about the money. In fact, it very rarely is.

Social justice was not the issue but maybe you think your response was a 'normal conversation'.

Moby

Shakethedisease wrote: »

That's a difficult question to answer. Self-governance is a highly emotive thing, as you can see from the EU referendum debate going on right now. As well as deeply political. Ecomomics, in these sort of situations always have people saying one thing, and other's countering with another. Reports and more reports. The media broadcast slants and skews to suit their own agendas.

Has always been my own view that Scottish independence support is more politically driven than emotive or economic in nature. Economics coming third in the equation. During the referendum, the politics and the likely prospect ( polls at the time ) of a Labour government at Westminster swung it to No in my opinion. Labour thought so too and is evident from all the campaigning they did at the time. Had it been really obvious from 2013 that a Conservative majority government was going to be elected in 2015, I honestly think it would've meant a Yes vote. Labour voters would've swung it. This would've happened absolutely regardless of the economics which would have been predicted to follow.

Economist's argue too much. They fail to predict much correctly either, never mind what an independent Scotland would look like, 2, 5 or 10 years from now. They're bean counters on the past and the here and now. Regarding predicting the future, they have a little more work to do.

Independence at any price no. But people imo will vote politically and emotionally regardless of any economist's price. As has been shown throughout history with other countries gaining their own independence. Is not always about the money. In fact, it very rarely is.

Totally agree with your analysis. Call me Dave needs to tread very carefully if he wants to keep the union. Ireland is a good example of this. Despite the troubles and few natural resources they have succeeded in becoming a viable self governing state.

ruggedtoast

IMO the real risk for the Union is the government. David Cameron is showing every sign that he is going to make an even bigger !!!! up out of the EU referendum than he did with Scotref.

Scotref, where our leader ruled himself out of showing any leadership at all, then fiddled about in the sidelines infuriating everyone to the point where a sure thing became a nearish miss preceded by desperate pleading and followed by unbearable smug arrogance. Which led to an immediate resurgence in nationalism.

I predict Cameron will stuff up the EU referendum, manage to infuriate the Scots even more, make a total balls up of preparing for Brexit and there may well be another Scottish Referendum before 2020.

This is the worst government we have had in decades, they cant manage any of the big issues and the free ride they are getting from the (Tory owned) media is unbelievable.

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

the issue was about




Social justice was not the issue but maybe you think your response was a 'normal conversation'.

OK Clapton, keep chugging away there.