Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

foxtrotoscar_2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

On the contrary. He wrote a best selling book about the whole thing. Then stood and was elected as an MP, and still serves as an MSP. We kind of like him up here. Something that's always been grossly underestimated in the media elsewhere.

Really? What's the best this amazing best seller called? Where has it been listed as a best seller? Or are you making it up? From memory the only book from him doesn't even make the top 2 million in Kindle downloads.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/xqh3y5ghb2/TimesResults_JanFeb16_ScotlandVI_Leaders_Tax_Fracking_Refugees_Website.pdf

You Gov have:

Yes: 43%
No: 51%

It's worth noting that 88% of Labour voters have said that they will vote No so not much mileage in Labour policy converting to Yes as they simply lose their core (I think Labour are effectively a dead party only propped up by the unions and the state: without money and a guaranteed billing on the news they would be like the old Liberal Party but that's a different conversation).

Anyhoo, excluding DKs and wouldn't votes it's......45:55, exactly the same as the actual referendum which kinda makes sense. If after all that shilly-shallying you hadn't decided which way to vote, chances are you don't care or never will.

Interestingly, the people who tend to vote in large numbers (A, B & C1) are hugely in favour of staying in the union: 41:59. Those that are generally uneducated or earn most or all of their income from the state are still in favour of staying in the union but with a closer split (49:51, in fact within the margin of error so they may even support independence).

According to the same poll, Scots are in favour of the SNP (presumably) using the new powers of taxation to increase income taxes in 2017 to pay for improved services although not for more welfare. It is worth noting that all through the 80s people told pollsters the same thing and then voted for lower taxes by voting Tory.

Neck and neck between the Tories and Lab for second. Another nail in the coffin for the myth that people voted for independence to get rid of Tory Governments (only 10% of Yessers did so or c. 4% of Scots).

YouGov with that particular day's polling also had a Leave vote a full 9% ahead of Remain re the EU. One wonders if they're now overcompensating with Conservative voters after the mess they made of the GE underestimating them.

All face to face or telephone polls have Scottish independence support leading. The online polling has it pretty much static or within margins of error. I've already pointed this out to you. So who knows really. There are marked differences in methodology producing different results at the present time. Face to face/telephone polling producing larger leads for remain UK wide. And a lead for Yes in any future independence poll. But the opposite for online panels, ie Leave EU in the lead, and no difference in independence support.

The poll today was notable only because it backs up a recent Panelbase online one. Which also showed an upwards swing of 5/6% for independence should the UK leave the EU.

This six point swing in favour of independence is much the same as that recorded by Panelbase last month when they conducted a similar exercise. In their case what at present was a 47% level of support for independence became 52% support – a five point swing very similar to today’s six point movement. Now that two separate polls have produced very similar figures, we can reasonably conclude that a UK-wide vote to leave the EU would most likely produce a noticeable, if not necessarily dramatic, increase in support for independence.

http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2016/02/three-key-pointers-from-ipsos-mori/

The SNP however, is well in the lead with all of them for May. Historically, face to face and telephone polls have been the least independence friendly too, up until now. Also converging is women both online and via traditional polling. Sturgeon seems to have eliminated the 'gender gap' Salmond had re independence completely.

Ipsos Mori today.

On the indyref2 question, interesting to see women back Yes by 5 points (50-45), MORE than men (49-46). First time that's happened?

Survnation a few weeks ago.

Familiar breakdown of the indy Q (eg age differences) apart from fascinating gender reversal: with more women Yes, than men.

Regarding taxation from today.

44% of Labour voters want income tax kept the same as it is now, with 39% backing the party's proposal to increase it.

14% of Labour voters actually want income tax CUT.

Oh and..

13% of SNP voters would vote No in a second indyref. 17% of Labour voters would vote Yes. Labour Yes vote shoots up to 33% if UK votes to leave the EU. Lib Dems increases from 11% to 21%.

And back to normal for the Tories on this one too.

NEW @IpsosMORI Holyrood poll... SNP 53% (+3) LAB 20% (-) CON 16% (-2) LIB 6% (-1)

Guessing the polling companies haven't quite worked out those quirks and wrinkles just yet.

Shakethedisease

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

Really? What's the best this amazing best seller called? Where has it been listed as a best seller? Or are you making it up? From memory the only book from him doesn't even make the top 2 million in Kindle downloads.

Does Kindle/Amazon do Scottish charts ? News to me. His book did very well. As did ALL books regarding the independence referendum up here. Iain McWhirter's, Joe Pike's and even Alan Cochrane's one. But I posted in answer to someone asserting that he left many unanswered questions behind when he left. The fact is, he didn't. He put them all in a book. There was even a full chapter on the 'no detriment' clause. He knew full well what was coming down the line..

foxtrotoscar_2

Shakey..can you go get a spell checker...and while you are there ask them if they can do you a truth teller as well.

foxtrotoscar_2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Does Kindle/Amazon do Scottish charts ? News to me. His book did very well. As did ALL books regarding the independence referendum up here. Iain McWhirter's, Joe Pike's and even Alan Cochrane's one. But I posted in answer to someone asserting that he left many unanswered questions behind when he left. The fact is, he didn't. He put them all in a book. There was even a full chapter on the 'no detriment' clause. He knew full well what was coming down the line..

Where was it a best seller? Give us a link?

foxtrotoscar_2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Does Kindle/Amazon do Scottish charts ? News to me. His book did very well. As did ALL books regarding the independence referendum up here. Iain McWhirter's, Joe Pike's and even Alan Cochrane's one. But I posted in answer to someone asserting that he left many unanswered questions behind when he left. The fact is, he didn't. He put them all in a book. There was even a full chapter on the 'no detriment' clause. He knew full well what was coming down the line..

You were the one that claimed it a best seller. In what book charts? Back up what you say or your credibility is seriously in question. Perhaps he was a best selling author to you as someone you knew bought you a copy?

foxtrotoscar_2

It did very well (in a limited locale)...is far from being a 'best seller'...you are straying into politician speak there! Which is usually telling lies!

Shakethedisease

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

You were the one that claimed it a best seller. In what book charts? Back up what you say or your credibility is seriously in question. Perhaps he was a best selling author to you as someone you knew bought you a copy?

You troll well. But am not biting. Sorry. My spelling and the lack of a Scottish book chart isn't really relevant to much here. And I can't be bothered engaging with this sort ' I have nothing constructive to add so I'll spell police and chuck the word liar about ' kind of stuff for the 1000th time on threads like these.

Salmond wrote a book after the independence referendum. Leaving little unanswered and it sold very well in Scotland. It was everywhere. As for 'local'.. in that case, so was the Scottish referendum in that context. Good luck with defining the possible break up of the UK as a 'local issue'.

foxtrotoscar_2

Come on now shakey...Salmond's book is not a best seller...yet..it maybe in the future if sold in Poundland discount (fiction) to get rid.!

foxtrotoscar_2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You troll well. But am not biting. Sorry. My spelling and the lack of a Scottish book chart isn't really relevant to much here. And I can't be bothered engaging with this sort ' I have nothing constructive to add so I'll spell police and chuck the word liar about ' kind of stuff for the 1000th time on threads like these.

Salmond wrote a book after the independence referendum. Leaving little unanswered and it sold very well in Scotland. It was everywhere. As for 'local'.. in that case, so was the Scottish referendum in that context. Good luck with defining the possible break up of the UK as a 'local issue'.

I asked you to provide evidence that the Alex Salmond book YOU claimed was a best seller was a best seller...I still wait...if asking you to prove what you say is trolling...you are misguided.