Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

What's Osborne's, post Brexit ?

Tax plans were in the White Paper. But 2013 criteria, no longer apply in 2016. Economically or politically.

just in a few sentences then : what were the SNP post victory tax plans

Rinoa

One thing's for sure, SNP taxes post independence aren't going to be popular.

If they were they would tell everyone right now.

Generali

Interesting to note that the Tories are neck-and-neck with Labour in Scotland according to the latest poll with Ms Davidson comfortably in second as preferred leaderine:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/article4683409.ece

Admittedly, the gap between Lab and Cons is well within the margin of error on the poll but the gap between Ms Davidson and Ms Dugdale is huge.

Will the SNP look to secede from Scotland if the Tories do well enough?

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Rinoa wrote: »

One thing's for sure, SNP taxes post independence aren't going to be popular.

If they were they would tell everyone right now.

Taxation? What taxation?

I though it was clear; after the SNP win the next 2 Neverendums (Referendums are habit forming), the whole SNP membership will descend on London and, after a brief and successful negotiation with the UK Government (still, out of habit trying to subsidise anyone or thing north of the border which moves or doesn't move) negotiate the fair Nat share of UK assets. That will include the contents of the British Museum , the Tate Gallery, the contents of all Banks and every bottle of whisky in England. They will arrange for all remaining valuables to be transported to the by-now abandoned Faslane naval base where it's submarines and nuclear weapons are stored pending the payment of a suitable ransom dowry from the Tory Party for her Majesty Empress Sturgeon on her ascent to the throne of Natland.

Most of the loot thoroughly deserved Scottish entitlement will be sold to the tiger economies of Ireland, Icelan, Norway and California and if any whisky remains after Burn's night it will be sold back to the English.

The profits from the sale of UK Assets will be put into an Oil Remembrance Fund, the interest from which will enable the permanently appointed SNP Government to abolish taxation in Natland, except for English firms and Gordon Brown.

I thought you knew this!

Mistermeaner

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You keep confusing Scotland within the union and very limited partial powers regarding income tax with full independence. We're discussing the former. Chucking in 'but independence' every time limited partial income tax powers within the union are mentioned, does not compute.

i dont think im confused; but i guess by definition i wouldnt know if i was!

To me its quite simple; The SNP want to spend - both pre and post independence.

Pre independence the evil tories are cutting funding, so while I acknowledge it may be a bit messy etc. but someone is trying to think up a way for the SNP to plug this funding gap and one way or another it must come from scottish people, i.e. tax in some form. (hence labours perhaps silly idea on an extra 1%, but at least they are trying!)

Post independence this situation is basically the same in terms of spending (give or take) but SNP will have no (or reduced and reducing) barnett money but more flexibility on taxes; so the mechanisms of tax raising may be substantially different but the total amount raised will need to be alot higher as well..... how will this fairer society work?? Each £1 of spending and £1 of tax saving for the poor will need to be matched with £2 of tax from somewhere

Regardless of the mechanism on how those taxes are raised I think we can agree that more taxes will be required to match spending... my question was about how many scots are happy to pay increased taxes?

Slightly different topic i guess but in this new I scotland alot more will also need to be spent just standing still once the economies of scale of union are lost.... management of the tax system being just one.

I dont think I am confused Shakey but please correct me where I am wrong.

Rinoa

Swinney is now demanding a share of any increase in English Income Tax receipts whilst Scotland keep any increase in theirs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/12141245/SNP-threatening-to-abandon-powers-over-molehill.html

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

just in a few sentences then : what were the SNP post victory tax plans

A few sentences ? You must be joking. They're here. http://www.gov.scot/resource/0043/00439021.pdf

But this was produced in 2013. Things have moved on. The referendum of 2014 was lost. The above paper didn't persuade enough people at the time.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Interesting to note that the Tories are neck-and-neck with Labour in Scotland according to the latest poll with Ms Davidson comfortably in second as preferred leaderine:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/article4683409.ece

Admittedly, the gap between Lab and Cons is well within the margin of error on the poll but the gap between Ms Davidson and Ms Dugdale is huge.

Will the SNP look to secede from Scotland if the Tories do well enough?

I doubt it. This is a result of Labour support collapsing. Lib Dems and those who aren't keen on Labour's current move to the left, moving to the Conservatives. The vast bulk of Labour support however, has moved to the SNP.

Shows how bad things have got that Labour and Conservatives fighting are battling it out for a poor second place ( if the polls are correct ).

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

A few sentences ? You must be joking. They're here. http://www.gov.scot/resource/0043/00439021.pdf

But this was produced in 2013. Things have moved on. The referendum of 2014 was lost. The above paper didn't persuade enough people at the time.

just a few highlight
like income tax/NI bands and rates to make a fairer more equal scotland

Shakethedisease

Mistermeaner wrote: »

i dont think im confused; but i guess by definition i wouldnt know if i was!

To me its quite simple; The SNP want to spend - both pre and post independence.

Pre independence the evil tories are cutting funding, so while I acknowledge it may be a bit messy etc. but someone is trying to think up a way for the SNP to plug this funding gap and one way or another it must come from scottish people, i.e. tax in some form. (hence labours perhaps silly idea on an extra 1%, but at least they are trying!)

Post independence this situation is basically the same in terms of spending (give or take) but SNP will have no (or reduced and reducing) barnett money but more flexibility on taxes; so the mechanisms of tax raising may be substantially different but the total amount raised will need to be alot higher as well..... how will this fairer society work?? Each £1 of spending and £1 of tax saving for the poor will need to be matched with £2 of tax from somewhere

Is this how things work in the UK ?

Regardless of the mechanism on how those taxes are raised I think we can agree that more taxes will be required to match spending... my question was about how many scots are happy to pay increased taxes?

Slightly different topic i guess but in this new I scotland alot more will also need to be spent just standing still once the economies of scale of union are lost.... management of the tax system being just one.

I dont think I am confused Shakey but please correct me where I am wrong.

I didn't say you were wrong. I said that chucking in 'but independence' when were talking about the Scotland Act within the union were two different things. And that you were muddying things by using them interchangeably.

We are still in the Union. Anything else is hypothetical at the present time.