Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

just a few highlight
like income tax/NI bands and rates to make a fairer more equal scotland

I'm pretty sure you can read/copy and paste like anyone else. What I'm not so sure about is the point of going over a 2013 paper regarding a lost referendum, and applying them all directly to some unknown point in the vague future.

Is there one ?

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you can read/copy and paste like anyone else. What I'm not so sure about is the point of going over a 2013 paper regarding a lost referendum, and applying them all directly to some unknown point in the vague future.

Is there one ?

it seems a simple question : what were the SNP plans for income tax had they won the referendum : one won't really seem that would change much a great deal in a couple of years so it would be still relevant (unless scotland's fiances have massively changed in that time of course)

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

Swinney is now demanding a share of any increase in English Income Tax receipts whilst Scotland keep any increase in theirs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/12141245/SNP-threatening-to-abandon-powers-over-molehill.html

I don't think he's demanding anything but what was contained and agreed within the Smith Commission. All parties signed up to it I recall. Including the Conservatives.

They seem desperate for Swinney to accept this deal within the next week or so, even going so far as to call the deadline 'artificial'. It's good that he's trying to get the best deal for Scotland. As is the Treasury for the rUK I should imagine. The deadline was set by the cross party Devolution Committee, not the SNP as they keep reporting. There are a host of other problems with the Act also, including areas of Welfare legislation.

But your post just serves to highlight how very fragile this union is becoming. Politically England votes to keep Scottish MP's out, the Scottish MP's don't actually want to be there. And now we find out that the Vow and the Smith Commission designed to keep Scotland in the union, were a complete load of b******s from start to finish.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you can read/copy and paste like anyone else. What I'm not so sure about is the point of going over a 2013 paper regarding a lost referendum, and applying them all directly to some unknown point in the vague future.

Is there one ?

Let's see what the manifest for the forthcoming election brings. Has to be radically different. As the world has moved on and doesn't look like going back for some decades. Inherent danger that if the campaign is fought on whining about Westminster. That the SNP are going to look as cluelessly dumb as Mr Brown on the topic of the economy. As there's a major game in play globally. Which is dog eat dog. No time for niceties.

Mistermeaner

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Is this how things work in the UK ?



I didn't say you were wrong. I said that chucking in 'but independence' when were talking about the Scotland Act within the union were two different things. And that you were muddying things by using them interchangeably.

We are still in the Union. Anything else is hypothetical at the present time.

youve totally dodged the question again. You would make an excellent politician

Q: Are the people of scotland happy to pay more tax to fund SNP spending plans?

CLAPTON

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Let's see what the manifest for the forthcoming election brings. Has to be radically different. As the world has moved on and doesn't look like going back for some decades. Inherent danger that if the campaign is fought on whining about Westminster. That the SNP are going to look as cluelessly dumb as Mr Brown on the topic of the economy. As there's a major game in play globally. Which is dog eat dog. No time for niceties.

nonsense

whining about the english is a winner in scotland : no need to actually talk about tax rates or messy things like that

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

it seems a simple question : what were the SNP plans for income tax had they won the referendum : one won't really seem that would change much a great deal in a couple of years so it would be still relevant (unless scotland's fiances have massively changed in that time of course)

Alternate reality time again. I've provided you with a link the the 2013 White Paper. No one knows what would've been negotiated and agreed in terms of debt and assets. The EU etc. All hypotheticals now.

Shakethedisease

Mistermeaner wrote: »

youve totally dodged the question again. You would make an excellent politician

Q: Are the people of scotland happy to pay more tax to fund SNP spending plans?

Around 50% of them I should imagine. As long as it's seen to be fair and productive ( which current Labour proposals certainly aren't ). The SNP manifesto hasn't been released yet. Labour/Greens SNP and smaller parties have all indicated that they favour raising taxes when, or should that be if the new Scotland Act goes through and the powers are there to do so. It's only the Conservatives that are saying they wish to cut them.
Council Taxes are also in line for massive reform. The commission reported back just a few weeks ago.http://localtaxcommission.scot/.

In essence, if the Scotland Act goes through. In Scotland there will be a choice between voting for a political party which will raise taxes to pay for spending. Or the Conservatives. But it will have to go through first, and there seems to be a few problems with it.

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However, I suspect many Scots voters would actually be prepared to pay a bit more tax, even at basic rate, if they could be sure it would go to pay for better education for their children. Scots have always said in most opinion polls that they would pay more if it went to public services. But it has to be fair, progressive and properly thought through. Labour’s plan doesn’t meet this credibility test.

https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2016/02/05/kecias-penny-for-scotland-is-too-contrived-but-shes-right-to-start-the-debate/

Had to link to Mcwhirter's blog as the Herald is down.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Let's see what the manifest for the forthcoming election brings. Has to be radically different. As the world has moved on and doesn't look like going back for some decades. Inherent danger that if the campaign is fought on whining about Westminster. That the SNP are going to look as cluelessly dumb as Mr Brown on the topic of the economy. As there's a major game in play globally. Which is dog eat dog. No time for niceties.

The SNP have never made the mistake of fighting a Holyrood election on Westminster issues. Nor vice versa the last General Election. Usually that's Labour, and why they've lost the last few.

Mistermeaner

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Around 50% of them I should imagine. As long as it's seen to be fair and productive ( which current Labour proposals certainly aren't ). The SNP manifesto hasn't been released yet. Labour/Greens SNP and smaller parties have all indicated that they favour raising taxes when, or should that be if the new Scotland Act goes through and the powers are there to do so. It's only the Conservatives that are saying they wish to cut them.
Council Taxes are also in line for massive reform. The commission reported back just a few weeks ago.http://localtaxcommission.scot/.

In essence, if the Scotland Act goes through. In Scotland there will be a choice between voting for a political party which will raise taxes to pay for spending. Or the Conservatives. But it will have to go through first, and there seems to be a few problems with it.

*https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2016/02/05/kecias-penny-for-scotland-is-too-contrived-but-shes-right-to-start-the-debate/

Had to link to Mcwhirter's blog as the Herald is down.

So why not ask for voluntary contributions now / crowd fund stuff?