Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Mistermeaner

CLAPTON wrote: »

some-one has to keep it simple, brief and honest

And noone is better at that than you

In other news scotland will probably blow away tonight so all this will be moot.

Them turbines will sure be spinning

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think the Treasury might be blinking first.

Brian Taylor, the BBC Scottish political editor thinks some sort of deal will go ahead.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35458650

And the graph on trust was conducted over many years, also when Labour when in power in Holyrood. Scots simply trust Holyrood rather than Westminster more to do things better in their interests. They also tend to trust the fact and figures from there rather than Westminster. Now that ( unionist ) Labour is no longer dominant, and a pro-indy party is, this is now translating into more pro indy support. And even less trust in Westminster.

Yes, I agree that the SNP has been highly successful at selling division and hatred.

I'm not sure anyone is blinking. You, of course, want to set this up as being the despised Unionists vs the heroic SNP. Actually there is a negotiation going on and perhaps they are actually trying to find a solution that works for all.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Yes, I agree that the SNP has been highly successful at selling division and hatred.

I'm not sure anyone is blinking. You, of course, want to set this up as being the despised Unionists vs the heroic SNP. Actually there is a negotiation going on and perhaps they are actually trying to find a solution that works for all.

Ok, perhaps no deal after all.

The Scottish and UK governments are "some distance" from a deal on new financial arrangements for Holyrood, according to Scotland's finance secretary.John Swinney took part in negotiations with Treasury counterparts on Monday. It came after the Treasury made a revised offer over the fiscal framework governing the level of spending available to the Scottish Parliament.

Mr Swinney said discussions would continue later in the week.
Speaking after the meeting , he said: "We are not at an agreement yet, and we have some distance to go before we get to an agreement."So, we have agreed to have further discussions in the course of this week and with a view to perhaps a meeting next week to take these issues forward, but there is still some considerable distance to travel."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35458650

Interestingly, and a bit of trivia a la polls. While the online polls are putting Leave ahead, and the traditional face to face/telephone pollsters are putting Remain well ahead for the EU referendum.

Polling on Scottish independence over the last year has been the complete opposite. With the traditional face to face/telephone pollsters putting Yes in the lead, and online pollsters hovering still with No ( just ) in the lead. How strange on a binary referendum question.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

some-one has to keep it simple, brief and honest

Clapton, I'm actually thinking of giving up, and just quoting you from the Brexit thread. Superb arguments put forward for leaving a union. You almost sound like me ! But more brief.

Though you haven't mentioned yet that you are definitely NOT being driven to a Leave vote by hatred of European people.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Interestingly, and a bit of trivia a la polls. While the online polls are putting Leave ahead, and the traditional face to face/telephone pollsters are putting Remain well ahead for the EU referendum.

Polling on Scottish independence over the last year has been the complete opposite. With the traditional face to face/telephone pollsters putting Yes in the lead, and online pollsters hovering still with No ( just ) in the lead. How strange on a binary referendum question.

I suspect that it demonstrates unresolved selection bias of the samples.

It is always going to be a problem. If you are polling about party support for example, you can do things like weight your poll according to how people said they voted last time or how likely a B man or an E woman is likely to vote. If you are trying to run a poll about Brexit you have no data points to base this on. Sample bias will be random and will definitely be a problem, probably an insurmountable one.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Clapton, I'm actually thinking of giving up, and just quoting you from the Brexit thread. Superb arguments put forward for leaving a union. You almost sound like me ! But more brief.

Though you haven't mentioned yet that you are definitely NOT being driven to a Leave vote by hatred of European people.

if you read my brexit posts you will know I want a smaller population (or at least one that is growing less fast)
and you will know the reasons are about high house prices that make a modest home unaffordable for many under 40s, easier access to GP and hospitals, less over crowding on the transport systems and less crowded beaches

When Scotland achieves independence then I believe you will benefit from all my wishes for a Brexit (which sadly, of course will not occur)
so fewer people in scotland, as your best young people flock south (unfortunately higher London houses prices)
Now I love the hills and coasts of Scotland so will welcome the fewer people.

so do feel free to use any of my Brexit posts to convince the young and most able scots to move south now, before the rush and the ever higher house prices

and finally no, I love Europe and Europeans but I would like cheaper houses price and a better quality of life.

kabayiri

I believe the SNP plan to raise income tax by a penny if they win the elections.

It shows the current devolution in action !
(otherwise, why would they bother?)

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

I believe the SNP plan to raise income tax by a penny if they win the elections.

It shows the current devolution in action !
(otherwise, why would they bother?)

It's Labour, not the SNP. The SNP crashed and burned with this proposed across the board tax rise policy in the late 1990's calling it 'A penny for Scotland'.

I sincerely doubt 'A penny for the Union' will fare any better. From what I can see on twitter and online the prevailing mood seems to be along the lines of.

The Tories have set a tax trap for the SNP, but Labour have walked right into it.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's Labour, not the SNP. The SNP crashed and burned with this proposed across the board tax rise policy in the late 1990's calling it 'A penny for Scotland'.

I sincerely doubt 'A penny for the Union' will fare any better. From what I can see on twitter and online the prevailing mood seems to be along the lines of.

absolutely right : the SNP should avoid this like the plague:
get independence first then it's too late when tax rises by 5p in the pound (or scottish equivalent)

.string.

Time will tell how that initiative by Scottish Labour works out: it may turn out to be a cunning plan.

Labour have shown that the cutting back on certain service's can be avoided. SNP have stated that they won't do that. So when/if those services are cut and the SNP try to blame Westminster, according to form, Labour will be able to say that such cuts could have been avoided if the SNP had not been so mired in their divisive political agenda, and that the SNP are responsible, not Westminster. The story will also include accusing the SNP of not having the bottle to solve the problem.

... and more ... imagine the blow back when the SNP are forced to take action. It won't be just a 1d rise then, and SNP will be to blame for that too.

I look forward to that. Cracks, cracks, cracks...