Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Thrugelmir

Leanne1812 wrote: »

A failing industry may not deserve to be propped up indefinitely but again, it's the far reaching consequences of massive job losses.

Skilled workers will travel to the work is. Oil an gas is a global business.

You should be more concerned with the secondary damage. Hotels, restaurants, helicopter operators, car sales man , hairdressers, estate agents etc. All of whom depend on people and companies spending money.

Then there's the whole industry supply chain. This impacts the wider UK too.

CLAPTON

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Skilled workers will travel to the work is. Oil an gas is a global business.

You should be more concerned with the secondary damage. Hotels, restaurants, helicopter operators, car sales man , hairdressers, estate agents etc. All of whom depend on people and companies spending money.

Then there's the whole industry supply chain. This impacts the wider UK too.

what exactly would you have Holyrood do about the secondary supply chain?
maybe guarentee them full pay for a year or so?
just for the people of Aberdeen or all unemployed scots?


of course Leanne wasn't suggesting the Holyrood should do anything : she wants the english to pay

Leanne1812

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Skilled workers will travel to the work is. Oil an gas is a global business.

You should be more concerned with the secondary damage. Hotels, restaurants, helicopter operators, car sales man , hairdressers, estate agents etc. All of whom depend on people and companies spending money.

Then there's the whole industry supply chain. This impacts the wider UK too.

Absolutely, when I said knock on effects this is what I meant.

Leanne1812

skintmacflint wrote: »

Yep we are where we are. Which precisely is we had a vote and the decision was No. Was also widely proclaimed by both Salmond and Sturgeon the length and breadth of Scotland, it was the chance/ opputunity of a generation. Come back sometime in 2030 and I won't have a problem, or likely be here for that matter.:D

Once the referendum results were out, was pretty obvious what would happen at Westminster. Not convinced those numbers would be repeated, as I' m getting the impression SNP have peaked. Those wee cracks and divisions are becoming visible, within not just the Yes movement but within SNP . Sturgeon doesn't have the dominance within the party Salmond held, and she has a more difficult road to walk than him, poll ratings or not.

I'm mainly talking about how our political landscape has changed post ref. None of us could foresee what would happen. I think most thought since the SNP failed in their mission they would quietly fade out. Quite the opposite has happened.

I don't think it was obvious at all what would happen in the GE. Even though the polls predicted massive gains I for one did not think for a minute that so many SNP mp's would be elected. As far as cracks and divisions go I can see this too but time will tell if the party will come together or it will damage them. It's all very much unknown how things may pan out in the next few years.

I do think you need to prepare yourself for another majority SNP gov in May though :-)

kabayiri

Leanne1812 wrote: »

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Maybe the people who don't seem to think so are not directly involved and dare I say it, because it is a Scottish industry it doesn't matter. One poster has already said as much.
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If you haven't noticed we are as a nation carrying debt running into the thousand billion plus territory.

It will come down to choices. The oil industry already had tax breaks last year from Osborne.

How much more debt do you want the country to accumulate?

Why isn't investing in fracking development in the Fylde coast a smarter use of precious funds? Fracking is getting more efficient in the US every year, whereas oil in the North Sea is more expensive to extract.

Leanne1812

kabayiri wrote: »

If you haven't noticed we are as a nation carrying debt running into the thousand billion plus territory.

It will come down to choices. The oil industry already had tax breaks last year from Osborne.

How much more debt do you want the country to accumulate?

Why isn't investing in fracking development in the Fylde coast a smarter use of precious funds? Fracking is getting more efficient in the US every year, whereas oil in the North Sea is more expensive to extract.

Agreed, it comes down to choices. I suppose we differ in that the route I feel the gov should be taking is to support this industry as much as it can. Not indefinitely but short term through this spell. Will oil prices recover? Who knows, we can but hope. If its debt accrued to support a very important industry here then I cannot disagree with it. Money is found for plenty of causes I feel are less worthy.

Fracking is very contentious here in Scotland. To be fair my initial feeling is one of distrust but I keep meaning to look into it some more. I live within Scotland's only National Park & there seems to be quite a lot of ill feeling about it ruining our landscape. I know you will possibly feel that is irrelevant when it comes to economic benefits but I have to reiterate I'm not fully informed about the ins and outs of fracking.

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Agreed, it comes down to choices. I suppose we differ in that the route I feel the gov should be taking is to support this industry as much as it can. Not indefinitely but short term through this spell. Will oil prices recover? Who knows, we can but hope. If its debt accrued to support a very important industry here then I cannot disagree with it. Money is found for plenty of causes I feel are less worthy.

Fracking is very contentious here in Scotland. To be fair my initial feeling is one of distrust but I keep meaning to look into it some more. I live within Scotland's only National Park & there seems to be quite a lot of ill feeling about it ruining our landscape. I know you will possibly feel that is irrelevant when it comes to economic benefits but I have to reiterate I'm not fully informed about the ins and outs of fracking.

once you are 'free' it will be a scottish decision to invest in the past or the future and there will be no English to blame : you will have to grow up and choose.

Mistermeaner

If piling in money to prop the oil industry is your answer then no wonder you are drawn to the snp.

Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Agreed, it comes down to choices. I suppose we differ in that the route I feel the gov should be taking is to support this industry as much as it can. Not indefinitely but short term through this spell. Will oil prices recover? Who knows, we can but hope. If its debt accrued to support a very important industry here then I cannot disagree with it. Money is found for plenty of causes I feel are less worthy.

Fracking is very contentious here in Scotland. To be fair my initial feeling is one of distrust but I keep meaning to look into it some more. I live within Scotland's only National Park & there seems to be quite a lot of ill feeling about it ruining our landscape. I know you will possibly feel that is irrelevant when it comes to economic benefits but I have to reiterate I'm not fully informed about the ins and outs of fracking.

In the short term, North Sea oil probably doesn't need any support beyond what has been given. The thing with offshore drilling is that AIUI these are very long term projects and you can't just turn them off and on. Also, while operating costs are pretty high, the really big expense is up front. That money remains spent regardless of the oil price.

The big problem that North Sea oil faces is longer term. As I've written before, the collapse in the costs and lead times for unconventional oil means that the oil market is going to look more like the one for potatoes or corn and less like the one for copper or iron ore.

'Hard commodity' markets (oil, coal, iron, gold) tend to feast or famine. The reason? It takes ages to get a mine going and so prices can stay high because you can't just turn supply on and off.

'Soft commodity' markets tend to have much more stable prices. If the price of corn rises, farmers will plant more of it the following year and push prices back down. Supply can react far more quickly to demand. Yes, you can have occasional spikes such as the one a few years ago caused by so much of the world's corn production being pushed towards bio fuels. However these have always been temporary events.

Unconventional oil is increasingly fast and cheap to get out of the ground. As the oil price rises, supply can react quickly now. That will smooth the price and also keep prices low. Short of a major war or other cataclysmic event we will never see prices of oil high again, unless we actually start to run short of the stuff.

Mistermeaner

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I've no desire to interact with you. I find you rude & boorish.

4 people separately replied to your ridiculous comment within 15mins of each other, saying broadly the same thing. I dont think you like being made to to look daft.