Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Mistermeaner

Talking to Leanne is like talking to the snp.

baldelectrician

Generali wrote: »

Better luck next time.;)

My thoughts exactly.

This is how I read democracy

A party puts out a manifesto
Voters vote for the party (or not ) based on their manifesto commitments

If a party that may be pro Indy puts a comment about not wanting another referendum at present but reserves the right to call one if they feel the will of the Scottish people has changed or circumstances have changed that's fair comment.

something I am certain of;
There will be no 'the SNP will call a referndum ' statement in the next manifesto.
There will be something along the lines of ' we reserve a right to call a referendum in certain circumstances .....' Thus leaving their options open.

To sum up ..
It's not for David Cameron to decide whether there will or not will be a referndum - it's up to the Scots voters by electing a party ( or parties ) with a referndum clause in a manifesto.

No party leader ( note Salmond is not a leader any more) can bind his / her successors - just as the current parliament can't bind future parliaments .

So yes I hope we have better luck next time as well.

Generali

baldelectrician wrote: »

My thoughts exactly.

This is how I read democracy

A party puts out a manifesto
Voters vote for the party (or not ) based on their manifesto commitments

If a party that may be pro Indy puts a comment about not wanting another referendum at present but reserves the right to call one if they feel the will of the Scottish people has changed or circumstances have changed that's fair comment.

something I am certain of;
There will be no 'the SNP will call a referndum ' statement in the next manifesto.
There will be something along the lines of ' we reserve a right to call a referendum in certain circumstances .....' Thus leaving their options open.

To sum up ..
It's not for David Cameron to decide whether there will or not will be a referndum - it's up to the Scots voters by electing a party ( or parties ) with a referndum clause in a manifesto.

No party leader ( note Salmond is not a leader any more) can bind his / her successors - just as the current parliament can't bind future parliaments .

So yes I hope we have better luck next time as well.

No it's not. The Constitution is a reserved matterso it's for the people of the UK to elect a Government that wishes to have a referendum on Scottish independence. Or English independence for that matter.

skintmacflint

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I hear you skint but look at the rise of the SNP since the referendum. No one could foresee how our political landscape would change.

I'm trying to put myself in your shoes and I'd probably feel the same as you but the fact is we are where we are and if Scotland keeps the SNP in power I'm pretty sure another ref will be on the agenda in the next few years.

Yep we are where we are. Which precisely is we had a vote and the decision was No. Was also widely proclaimed by both Salmond and Sturgeon the length and breadth of Scotland, it was the chance/ opputunity of a generation. Come back sometime in 2030 and I won't have a problem, or likely be here for that matter.:D

Once the referendum results were out, was pretty obvious what would happen at Westminster. Not convinced those numbers would be repeated, as I' m getting the impression SNP have peaked. Those wee cracks and divisions are becoming visible, within not just the Yes movement but within SNP . Sturgeon doesn't have the dominance within the party Salmond held, and she has a more difficult road to walk than him, poll ratings or not.

kabayiri

I spotted Nicola on Beeb telly this morning telling Andrew Marr that the solution to the oil price collapse is more subsidy for Aberdeen industries.

Is this subsidy junkie for real? Why wouldn't we invest that money in shale developments which have the potential to deliver cheaper energy.

CLAPTON

kabayiri wrote: »

I spotted Nicola on Beeb telly this morning telling Andrew Marr that the solution to the oil price collapse is more subsidy for Aberdeen industries.

Is this subsidy junkie for real? Why wouldn't we invest that money in shale developments which have the potential to deliver cheaper energy.

why wouldn't Nicola want free money from London?

Thrugelmir

CLAPTON wrote: »

why wouldn't Nicola want free money from London?

Nicola had to something that wouldn't negatively impact SNP support. Admission isn't in the SNP's policy manual. Time is ticking though. Cannot avoid the real issues forever.

.string.

She wants to get money for developing additional industries which will reduce Natland's dependency on oil. She also wants to make a pitch for votes when, whatever they do, she will declare the response of the UK Government insufficient.

An interesting Conundrum, not amenable to a quick fix, at first sight.

Maybe North Sea Oil, being expensive, is like coal was all those years ago, and at the end of commercial viability, at least in the UK. I doubt that, except in the long run, since in the medium term there could well be an upspring in price once the present glut subsides. Also a Middle East war could put oil prices up as could a regurgitation of the Chinese Dragon or a rush of vigour to an Indian Tiger. So at least for the near term the oil industry is a strategic asset and should be kept ticking over against a recovery.

But that's where detailed knowledge of the industry is needed to understand what is needed, and when and if.

But maybe, just maybe, the operation needs to be culled back. But, also maybe, some tax sweeteners are needed too for the oil industry.

I think direct subsidy of an uncompetitive product would not be the answer.

The human side of it is potentially akin to the steel industry problems, substantial local direct layoffs and knock-on problems.

Those are just a few things that come to mind but there is basic information missing from our ken. For example we don't even know, or at least I don't, if they are still selling the stuff and in what part of the industry is affected. If we knew such things, then one could form a considered view.

But at any rate, it's up to Cameron now, and maybe Osporne as well, to give further support from those broad shoulders they were talking about. But not more money dumped into the SNP's cynical grasp, more a UK initiative. Direct help from the UK is the way methinks.

Mistermeaner

Government should stay out of it and let private industry do what it does.

Propping up stuff is the road to long term misery

Mistermeaner

Oh and private industry wants to frack not waste money on further investment in the north sea - but the snp are not man enough to deal with that. Instead they are anti fracking and will moan.