Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

London too, if that bubble pops again. And there are gathering clouds there too aren't there ?

Context is everything. There is a distinct lack of it, when it comes to Scotland and oil... compared with the Bank of England absolutely terrified to raise interest rates even by the tinyest of margins in case it causes another UK wide recession. Bizarre. Scotland has nowhere near that particular 'over reliance' going on.

Phew, crisis averted. The falling oil price doesn't matter because London BTL.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

I read it several times and I've no idea what you are trying to say
(although I think it implies you think scotland woulde be better off without the english)

Scotland would be better off self-governing. Nothing to do with the English. Just like any other country does. If there's an over dependence on oil, then it's time to move away from it. Sneering and laughter over the oil price drops aren't helping anyone. The Scottish Govt has no power to directly intervene.

And no one in England actually want Scottish MP's in Westminster anymore anyway do they ? Which is why they'll always vote en masse in order to keep the Labour party out. If they even look like they might exchange a cheery 'good morning' in the HOC it'll be headline news. Conversely, most of those Scottish MP's dream of the day they leave.

It's a self-perpetuating cycle Clapton. The more English voters vote Conservative, so that Labour cannot get into power if there's any hint of SNP 'deals'.. the more the SNP/independence gain support because Westminster/Labour don't seem to want the MP's Scots vote to put there anyway. And most Scots voters ( SNP + Labour ) won't put up with a Conservative govt in charge forever. Why would they ? They don't vote for them.

And so it continues... but it's not a 'normal' state of affairs. A 'nation without statehood'.

We have to remember that our position in Scotland as a nation without statehood is rare indeed. We have assumed the role of regional authority like a German land or krajov of Slovakia when our history shows us to be much more – a former fully independent, internationally recognised state, in so far as descriptions applied three centuries ago.

It is only here in Scotland that we pirouette on the head of a pin over patriotism and nationalism. Who else have you ever met who boasted: I love my country but don’t want it to govern itself? I much prefer it to be in a minority in another parliament where it can always be outvoted and where parties we don’t support will dictate our budget and policies. I don’t think my country should have independence because it really wouldn’t be able to do the job properly (unlike Slovakia).

Most foreign listeners would reply: Then it’s not your country at all.

http://derekbateman.co.uk/2016/01/21/its-normal-2/

foxtrotoscar_2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scotland would be better off self-governing. Nothing to do with the English. Just like any other country does. If there's an over dependence on oil, then it's time to move away from it. Sneering and laughter over the oil price drops aren't helping anyone. The Scottish Govt has no power to directly intervene.

And no one in England actually want Scottish MP's in Westminster anymore anyway do they ? Which is why they'll always vote en masse in order to keep the Labour party out. If they even look like they might exchange a cheery 'good morning' in the HOC it'll be headline news. Conversely, most of those Scottish MP's dream of the day they leave.

It's a self-perpetuating cycle Clapton. The more English voters vote Conservative, so that Labour cannot get into power if there's any hint of SNP 'deals'.. the more the SNP/independence gain support because Westminster/Labour don't seem to want the MP's Scots vote to put there anyway. And most Scots voters ( SNP + Labour ) won't put up with a Conservative govt in charge forever. Why would they ? They don't vote for them.

And so it continues... but it's not a 'normal' state of affairs. A 'nation without statehood'.

http://derekbateman.co.uk/2016/01/21/its-normal-2/

I'll ask you a simple question.
Given the fall in oil revenue, where is the money going to come from to balance the SNP books? This is not an unreasonable question surely?

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Phew, crisis averted. The falling oil price doesn't matter because London BTL.

Bank of England Generali and interest rates/huge personal debt. You never do well with context. There is no 'crisis' at the moment. But I can assure you that if there IS one coming down the line.. it will be down the Bank of England..oh sorry 'global' factors rather than oil prices in Scotland. Global of course when it's the Conservatives, rather than 'down to Labour' like the last one.

Osborne lost his 'mojo' pretty quickly didn't he. And I can assure you also. That those who tuned into all those doom laden predictions of Scotland going to hell in a handcart over the drop in oil prices ( both for and against ).. in an as yet completely hypothetical independent Scotland. Are now listening far more closely to Mark Carney and Osborne's 'dangerous cocktail of risks'....

Is hardly encouraging is it. Not that oil prices matter to the UK though.... * cough cough*.

George Osborne has warned of the risks to the UK from the shaky global economy, saying 2016 has opened with a “dangerous cocktail of new threats”. The chancellor was using a speech in Cardiff to say that the turmoil in financial markets that saw 5% wiped off oil prices on Wednesday should act as an antidote to the “creeping complacency” that Britain is immune from what is happening in the global economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/07/george-osborne-warns-uk-economy-faces-cocktail-of-threats

Context.( or as it's otherwise known.. getting the excuses in early ).

foxtrotoscar_2

Shakey care to deliver a financial manifesto....this week...fish farming and aluminium....and oil revenue all down!


Give me a clue how YOU would actually balance the books?

Shakethedisease

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

I'll ask you a simple question.
Given the fall in oil revenue, where is the money going to come from to balance the SNP books? This is not an unreasonable question surely?

There's no simple answer.

The SNP don't have 'books' as they don't have full economic powers. The figures that come from 'reports' are rarely made in comparison to the UK as a whole ( there must be a reason for that I suppose right ? ). Concentrating solely on the downsides of, well, pretty much everything. Most over the last five years have been issued with an obvious 'slant' towards keeping Scotland in the UK. And have been for decades before that.

Personally ? I don't believe there will ever be any sort of positive report ever released that will show Scotland as better off without the union... for the most obvious reasoning.. that if continuous reports show Scotland better off outside the union. Then we'll go, quick smart.

The powers that the SNP do have ? They've balanced things out well while keeping things on a pretty even keel. And have far out performed any previous Scottish govt in pretty much all areas. There has never been a Conservative administration in Holyrood because politically, their policies are seen as unattractive to most Scots voters.

Why don't you ask George Osborne what he'll do if there's another house price bubble pop or similar? Because that's exactly what you are in effect, asking every person who would like independence in Scotland to answer re oil.... but without a single solitary real economic power to answer with ?

Shakethedisease

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

Shakey care to deliver a financial manifesto....this week...fish farming and aluminium....and oil revenue all down!
Give me a clue how YOU would actually balance the books?

Ask Osborne about declines. Swinney has no powers.. Scotland didn't vote Yes. It's part of the UK still.

Give me a clue how YOU would actually balance the books given the financial black hole the UK is already in ? Then mabye we can get arsey about an independent Scotland.

George Osborne is warning that 2016 could mark “the beginning of the decline” for Britain unless the country sticks to tough economic reforms, citing the Chinese slowdown and plummeting oil prices among “a dangerous cocktail of new threats”.

The pace of China’s falling currency, now at its lowest level in nearly five years, has put investors on notice that the Chinese economy, an engine of global growth, may be slowing at a faster pace than previously forecast.

The chancellor has also warned that the Bank of England and ministers need to be wary of asset bubbles in the economy and the risk to stability when interest rates in the UK eventually start to rise.

Mr Osborne, speaking on the BBC on Thursday morning, mentioned buy-to-let mortgages as one area of concern but said he was not attempting to interfere with the BoE’s independence.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f2a286f4-b494-11e5-8358-9a82b43f6b2f.html#axzz3yDGcIOlR

When you can tell me about how George Osborne, or YOU will deal with another hypothetical financial crash or decline using the full economic powers available to him. Then mabye I'll get back to you on dealing with any hypothetical financial crashes using the full economic powers available to any future independent Scottish finance minister... ( clue :- they'll be the same ).

foxtrotoscar_2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ask Osborne about declines !! Swinney has no powers.. Scotland didn't vote Yes. It's part of the UK still.

Give me a clue how YOU would actually balance the books given the financial black hole the UK is already in ? Then mabye we can get arsey about an independent Scotland.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f2a286f4-b494-11e5-8358-9a82b43f6b2f.html#axzz3yDGcIOlR

When you can tell me about how George Osborne, or YOU will deal with another hypothetical financial crash or decline using the full economic powers available to him. Then mabye I'll get back to you on dealing with any hypothetical financial crashes using full economic powers available to any future independent finance minister... ( clue :- they'll be the same ).

What is mabye? Mabye you should learn basic monetary stuff?


Mabye then you could have some credibility?

foxtrotoscar_2

Scotland has been protected from the oil price fall because they are part of the UK.

Shakethedisease

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

What is mabye? Mabye you should learn basic monetary stuff?


Mabye then you could have some credibility?

You didn't answer exactly the same question put to you my friend. You're asking about a hypothetical independent Scotland with an oil price decline that has been evident for the last 18 months. And how it will be dealt with 'at some point in the future' by an unknown govt 'at some point in the future' when oil prices are unknown at that 'some point in the future'.

I wouldn't be credible if I'd actually attempted an answer. However, at least it's now already factored in 'at some point in the future'. The Kevin Hague's of the blogosphere ( Hamish knows him, if you don't ).. are simply intent on constantly reliving 2014 forever.

How will Osborne deal with a 'dangerous cocktail of risks' which he himself is warning of. And him actually being in charge with the real powers ? How will he deal with it if there's another crisis like in 2007/8 ?

Answer that, and you might have some credibility.