Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Tromking

dktreesea wrote: »

You are missing the point. If it's good enough for the Scots to have half decent flood defences, free university education, new social housing, free prescriptions, dual carriageways where they are needed, then why shouldn't the English enjoy the same? Give me one good reason.


And don't say the UK can't afford it. Rubbish. They can afford Cross rail, Trident, the planned high speed rail lines.

Give me my South of England life expectancy rates over that of the East End of Glasgow anytime. The rUK isn't the Tory hell hole you think it is. The country spends money on the things it can afford and in line with the priorities of the party in power.

dktreesea

Tromking wrote: »

Give me my South of England life expectancy rates over that of the East End of Glasgow anytime. The rUK isn't the Tory hell hole you think it is. The country spends money on the things it can afford and in line with the priorities of the party in power.

Such a generalisation. I'm from London. I see where the money is spent down south. Plenty for London (e.g. Cross rail)and to hell with everywhere else in England.


This sums up Westminster's attitude pretty well:
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/aug/07/london-gets-24-times-as-much-infrastructure-north-east-England


I see the difference between the spending in the north of England and in Scotland every time I cross the border. I would think there could be quite a few places in England that would have benefitted, for instance, from a similar rail link to the one just built/reinstated between Galashiels and Edinburgh.


And what's with all the toll roads and bridge crossings in England? We don't have that in Scotland (a big thank you to the SNP). The Dartmouth crossing has likely been paid for twice over yet still the English have to pay to use it, to a company managed by the French. Are you seriously defending that kind of disparity between the cost of living in England vs Scotland?

Thrugelmir

dktreesea wrote: »

You are missing the point. If it's good enough for the Scots to have half decent flood defences, free university education, new social housing, free prescriptions, dual carriageways where they are needed, then why shouldn't the English enjoy the same? Give me one good reason.

It's a political illusion that will come to light once the underspend in other areas comes to light. Money can only be spent once. Whatever it's source.

Generali

dktreesea wrote: »

Such a generalisation. I'm from London. I see where the money is spent down south. Plenty for London (e.g. Cross rail)and to hell with everywhere else in England.


This sums up Westminster's attitude pretty well:
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/aug/07/london-gets-24-times-as-much-infrastructure-north-east-England


I see the difference between the spending in the north of England and in Scotland every time I cross the border. I would think there could be quite a few places in England that would have benefitted, for instance, from a similar rail link to the one just built/reinstated between Galashiels and Edinburgh.


And what's with all the toll roads and bridge crossings in England? We don't have that in Scotland (a big thank you to the SNP). The Dartmouth crossing has likely been paid for twice over yet still the English have to pay to use it, to a company managed by the French. Are you seriously defending that kind of disparity between the cost of living in England vs Scotland?

Are you seriously suggesting that tolls add a meaningful amount to the cost of living in England?

The Scots get things like 'free' tolls and 'free parking' in hospitals because Londoners pay for it.

As for the disparity between spending in London and the rest of the UK, you are only looking at one side of the income statement. Londoners pay billions more in taxes than are spent in London, the rest of the UK including northern England get a vast subsidy.

Generali

dktreesea wrote: »

You are missing the point. If it's good enough for the Scots to have half decent flood defences, free university education, new social housing, free prescriptions, dual carriageways where they are needed, then why shouldn't the English enjoy the same? Give me one good reason.


And don't say the UK can't afford it. Rubbish. They can afford Cross rail, Trident, the planned high speed rail lines.

The only way is to redirect the money from somewhere else and the most obvious places are those that get a lot more per head out of the spending bucket being the Celtic Nations.

I suspect that it's only a matter of time before someone (UKIP?) stands on a policy of 'English taxes for the English' or some such twaddle. That'll put the cat among the pigeons.

elantan

I'm sitting here reading how it's us Scots that have issues with the English ... and yet I am being constantly bombarded with Londener's pay for parking, Londoners pay for road tolls


English subsidies pay for BLAH BLAH BLAH


And yet it's us Scots that hate the English


You ain't convincing me to want to stay in this union you know

Your making me want to go even faster ... and I didn't think that possible


Would it make you feel better if I said


" PLEASE SIR CAN I HAVE SOME MORE?"

but let me guess


I'm. Being too sensitive, I'm. Reading into something that's not there


I'm imagining it

Wonder how that would work if the tables were turned

elantan

Generali wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that tolls add a meaningful amount to the cost of living in England?

The Scots get things like 'free' tolls and 'free parking' in hospitals because Londoners pay for it.

As for the disparity between spending in London and the rest of the UK, you are only looking at one side of the income statement. Londoners pay billions more in taxes than are spent in London, the rest of the UK including northern England get a vast subsidy.

There ya go it's Londoners that pay for us Scots ... cause obviously we contribute nothing ... we're useless and worse than crap on the sole of a shoe ... we should be greatful that London even want to help us


But hey its the Scots that hate the English



Hmmmmm

Generali

elantan wrote: »

There ya go it's Londoners that pay for us Scots ... cause obviously we contribute nothing ... we're useless and worse than crap on the sole of a shoe ... we should be greatful that London even want to help us


But hey its the Scots that hate the English



Hmmmmm

I think you're reading a little more into what I wrote than I intended.

The point is that Londoners subsidise the rest of the UK to a huge extent and have done for years. It's not that nobody else puts anything in it's that the rest of the country, pretty much, is a net taker from the pot and London (and the SE) is a net giver with SW England pretty much paying what it puts in.

If I was a Scot with the current finances I'd be pretty grateful. That doesn't mean I think Scots are "crap on the sole of a shoe" and that Londoners subsidise Scotland to such a huge extent without it being a political issue tells you all you need to know about the value Londoners put on the Union.

I'd probably go and have a little lie down if I were you. It's work in the morning and I suspect someone's going to have a bit of a sore head.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

elantan wrote: »

I'm sitting here reading how it's us Scots that have issues with the English ...

I hope you appreciate the irony of posting that the week where the CyberNats have declared (another) boycott of Tunnock's Tea Cakes because they're daring to market them as 'British' across the border?

No thought for the risk to jobs in Scotland at Tunnocks should a boycott be successful, of course it won't, but the Nats do look increasingly desperate....

I suppose it's just fortunate that teacakes are a 'bonus', not the foundation of the Scottish economy.

elantan

Generali wrote: »

I think you're reading a little more into what I wrote than I intended.

d.

Nope I'm. Reading the drip drip drip of 307 years ... it's so in your veins that you are not even aware, to the extent that when pointed out you automatically blame the other .... your not even aware of it ... but you are aware of it going the other way ... and you constantly feel the need to point it out


Maybe the receiving side should do the same


If thats ok with you master ? Cause we owe you our life and our road tolls and our parking for free and our prescriptions that the English have chosen ( for whatever reason) not to demand for themselves ... and our education ...

The English could have it as well ... however it seems they either don't want it or from my perspective it is a suitable stick to beat others with