Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

Ps I have already informed you I don't drink so you are either trying to excuse your behaviour ( and blame the other) or you are trying to make yourself feel better by thinking I am drunk when you clearly know I am not


Hey whatever suits you sir

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I hope you appreciate the irony of posting that the week where the CyberNats have declared (another) boycott of Tunnock's Tea Cakes because they're daring to market them as 'British' across the border?

There's no boycott Hamish. Just folks having a laugh on Twitter. My husband and eldest son would freak if I didn't include a couple of 10 packs of teacakes in the weekly shop. Twitter banter isn't real life.

I even still shop at Asda !!! :eek:

elantan

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I hope you appreciate the irony of posting that the week where the CyberNats have declared (another) boycott of Tunnock's Tea Cakes because they're daring to market them as 'British' across the border?

No thought for the risk to jobs in Scotland at Tunnocks should a boycott be successful, of course it won't, but the Nats do look increasingly desperate....

I suppose it's just fortunate that teacakes are a 'bonus', not the foundation of the Scottish economy.

Hey let's blow Tunnocks out of proportion ... let's find a few tweets of silly cybernats to prove our point ... ( where are they by the way ... would u like me to find them for u ?)


If you bothered to read the other NAT tweets you would realise those few are being slated


But that doesn't suit your rhetoric does it


It's easier to slate the Scottish nats


Much easier than looking at the Britnats like Smart

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There's no boycott Hamish. Just folks having a laugh on Twitter. My husband and eldest son would freak if I didn't include a couple of 10 packs of teacakes in the weekly shop. Twitter banter isn't real life.

I even still shop at Asda !!! :eek:

Me to ... in the village that swore it would never let Asda in ... but when Asda came out for no ... well it was forgiven lol

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I hope you appreciate the irony of posting that the week where the CyberNats have declared (another) boycott of Tunnock's Tea Cakes because they're daring to market them as 'British' across the border?

No thought for the risk to jobs in Scotland at Tunnocks should a boycott be successful, of course it won't, but the Nats do look increasingly desperate....

I suppose it's just fortunate that teacakes are a 'bonus', not the foundation of the Scottish economy.

Even The National felt driven to deflect the story so there's clearly something in it.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

I think you're reading a little more into what I wrote than I intended.

The point is that Londoners subsidise the rest of the UK to a huge extent and have done for years. It's not that nobody else puts anything in it's that the rest of the country, pretty much, is a net taker from the pot and London (and the SE) is a net giver with SW England pretty much paying what it puts in.

If I was a Scot with the current finances I'd be pretty grateful. That doesn't mean I think Scots are "crap on the sole of a shoe" and that Londoners subsidise Scotland to such a huge extent without it being a political issue tells you all you need to know about the value Londoners put on the Union.

I'd probably go and have a little lie down if I were you. It's work in the morning and I suspect someone's going to have a bit of a sore head.

Some would say that's it's definitely time for change then, and not just for Scotland. The UK can't keep focusing on London forever. Westminster certainly does and this also needs rectifying. After all, there's always two sides to any economic story isn't there...What money comes out, and how much goes back in. Is not really that balanced just to cite one of them.

It is London not the provinces that is drunkenly dependent on public money. The latest figure for infrastructure spending on each Londoner is £5,500 a year, against Yorkshire’s £580 a head and the north-east’s £220. Not surprisingly, in the last three years London has grown three times faster than the north. Between 2010 and 2012 the capital added 216,000 more private sector jobs while Bradford, Blackpool and even Glasgow lost them. Vince Cable was right in calling London “a giant suction machine draining the life out of the rest of the country”.

This cannot be in the capital’s interest. Walk around parts of north Manchester, South Yorkshire or Teesside and you could still be in cold war eastern Europe. These places are economically destitute, dependent on taxes paid overwhelmingly in London and the south-east. By keeping them deprived, London keeps them parasitic and in its pay. Yet the capital never stops lobbying for more public money directed at its own interests.

High-speed rail, which every study shows benefits the richer end of a line, will help London rather than Birmingham or Manchester. The same goes for the sums poured into London’s university sector, a spending magnet that has no need to be in the capital.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/23/london-stop-sucking-up-cash-britain

elantan

Generali wrote: »

Even The National felt driven to deflect the story so there's clearly something in it.

Hey quick detract from my racism


I'm thinking maybe 2016 point out the obvious anti Scottish racism


Seeing as how the Scots constantly get reminded were racist like

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Even The National felt driven to deflect the story so there's clearly something in it.

Yes, watch the SNP vote go into freefall on the back of it... :eek:

baldelectrician

dktreesea wrote: »

When can we expect to see a similar quality of investment in Wales, Cumbria or Cornwall?

Possibly when your government does a better job

The Scottish Government scrapped PFI and introduced Scottish Futures Trust- this (unlike PFI) caps the profits of companies

The savings so far (£)
Year
09/10 £111m
10/11 £129m
11/12 £131m
12/13 £132m
13/14 £139m


Total to 2014 £642 million just by having a coherent method of procurement across Scotland- for example it is conditional on any company bidding for a Scottish Government contract to have an apprenticeship framework (even 1 apprentice for a small firm)- this doubling apprenticeships since 2007 **


** Apprenticeships in Scotland are attached to a job and cannot be only college based like other parts of the UK


For example;
All Scottish councils and health boards use the SFT to lever funding from other bodies see link to business plan
http://businessplan2015.scottishfuturestrust.org.uk/


The Westminster Government use PFI which makes a hash of it whilst SFT helps local NHS and councils keep on top of existing PFI contracts (the ones started by previous administrations that can't be cancelled without a high cost)
Operational PPP

Some of Scotland’s essential infrastructure such as hospitals, schools and roads are delivered through Public Private Partnerships (PPP). These assets, valued at over £6bn incur contract payments from public sector budgets that run close to £1bn per annum. These historic contracts are often complex and need active management by the public sector.
Building on the positive momentum of previous years, during 2014 SFT’s operational contract management team carried out further in-depth and targeted reviews of education and health projects to identify increased value and savings, estimated to be over £1m per annum recurrent year on year, as well as significant one-off savings.
More recently, SFT has formed a collaborative working arrangement with the NHS to create a specialist team to support all NHS boards in improving PPP contract management, share best practice and drive value on a consistent basis across the country


Street Lighting is another example


Street Lighting

Across Scotland, there are some 900,000 street lights costing local authorities £41m in annual electricity charges. These street lights also impact on the environment by releasing nearly 200,000 tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere each year.
With electricity prices forecast by the Department of Energy & Climate Change to increase substantially over the next ten years, it was timely that in February 2015 SFT published its latest Street Lighting Toolkit. The Toolkit is aimed to provide local authorities with the most up-to-date information to enable them prepare robust business cases to invest in spend-to-save measures to phase in new LED lighting. Work to date with local authorities, Scottish Government and Resource Efficient Scotland has already seen committed street lighting investment levels increase from £6.9m in 2013/14 to £30m in 2014/15.


It's not all about independence - its about doing better with the money you have to spend

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

The only way is to redirect the money from somewhere else and the most obvious places are those that get a lot more per head out of the spending bucket being the Celtic Nations.

I suspect that it's only a matter of time before someone (UKIP?) stands on a policy of 'English taxes for the English' or some such twaddle. That'll put the cat among the pigeons.

No, the Tories will keep at it. Next election they'll go all out on it again, going even further ( is a proven vote winner ). Corbyn if he's still there looking the slightest bit cosy with Sturgeon will be too difficult to resist. Shooting fish in a barrel in fact.

The Tories, imo know Scotland is going sooner or later. Which is why EVEL, boundary changes, Individual electoral registration, Trade Union bill, stuffing the House of Lords, cutting 'short money' and all the other thing's they're doing are being fast forwarded big time. They all don't seem that bad on their own. But taken together... Labour royally shafted. In England.

Critics of the Tories - including Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage, as well as allies of Ed Miliband and Ed Balls - believe Crosby pursued a classic 'dog whistle' campaign that played on something else : a visceral antipathy towards the Scots among English voters.

( Why The Tories Won - Tim Ross ).