Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

So there is an obvious question here:

1. Scots were recently offered a chance to vote on independence and voted No! pretty overwhelmingly.
2. Since then the economic situation has deteriorated markedly.
3. Since then support for the SNP has grown markedly.

The question is....why?

1) Miliband didn't get into No 10.
2) The Conservatives have a majority.
3) They look like being in power for a long time.
4) After a brief hopeful phase... Corbyn crashed and burned north of the border.
5) The Scotland Bill is a bad watered down version of the Smith Commission proposals.
6) The Smith Commission proposals were a watered down version of the Vow.
7) Scotland isn't having another referendum right now, so oil prices are irrelevant.
8) The SNP are a broad church with left wing/middle and right wing representation across Holyrood and Westminster. Yet they remain united and cohesive.
9) Nicola Sturgeon is a very good politician. Scots like her. Even die hard Labour voters like her.
10 ) There's no credible alternative in Scotland at the present time.
11) We're bombing again in the middle east.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

1) Miliband didn't get into No 10.
2) The Conservatives have a majority.
3) They look like being in power for a long time.
4) After a brief hopeful phase... Corbyn crashed and burned north of the border.
5) The Scotland Bill is a bad watered down version of the Smith Commission proposals.
6) The Smith Commission proposals were a watered down version of the Vow.
7) Scotland isn't having another referendum right now, so oil prices are irrelevant.
8) The SNP are a broad church with left wing/middle and right wing representation across Holyrood and Westminster. Yet they remain united and cohesive.
9) Nicola Sturgeon is a very good politician. Scots like her. Even die hard Labour voters like her.
10 ) There's no credible alternative in Scotland at the present time.
11) We're bombing again in the middle east.

Taking those at face value I'd note that only one, maybe two, of the items in the list of eleven have anything to do with the actions of the SNP.

Remember Nick Clegg?

skintmacflint

Generali wrote: »

The question is....why?

Freebies across the board . And no immediate worry of a 2nd referendum.

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

Taking those at face value I'd note that only one, maybe two, of the items in the list of eleven have anything to do with the actions of the SNP.

Remember Nick Clegg?

12 ) They've run the Scottish Govt and been in power there since 2007. The longer they've been in power, the more their vote share has gone up. Scots like the SNP and what they do in power too.. ( a lot better than they like Labour and any theoretical Conservative party leading Holyrood it seems ).

I didn't think I'd need to actually point this one above out. Strange as it may seem to you, and putting the referendum aside. It's people like Leanne and myself who are far more representative of your average Scottish voter and their perspective's these days.... than Hamish or skint ( who are definitely in the minority much as it pains them to admit ).

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

12 ) They've run the Scottish Govt and been in power there since 2007. The longer they've been in power, the more their vote share has gone up. Scots like the SNP and what they do in power too.. ( a lot better than they like Labour and any theoretical Conservative party leading Holyrood it seems ).

I didn't think I'd need to actually point this one above out. Strange as it may seem to you, and putting the referendum aside. It's people like Leanne and myself who are far more representative of your average Scottish voter and their perspective's these days.... than Hamish or skint ( who are definitely in the minority much as it pains them to admit ).

May 16 isn't very far away now
what do you think : will the victory speech demand a new referendum or will there be another tactic?
what do you think?

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

May 16 isn't very far away now
what do you think : will the victory speech demand a new referendum or will there be another tactic?
what do you think?

No definite referendum. Just a vague clause about reserving the option to call one should the people demand it at some unconfirmed point in the future. Options open in other words. But they need a majority again.

The 'trigger' for another referendum most likely won't be specified ( apart from the EU vote ). But should it happen, it'll be within a small timeframe from announcement to referendum. Half of England, if not more, will support the Yes campaign. And will be extremely annoyed with Cameron if he tries to prevent Scotland leaving.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No definite referendum. Just a vague clause about reserving the option to call one should the people demand it at some unconfirmed point in the future. Options open in other words. But they need a majority again.

The 'trigger' for another referendum most likely won't be specified ( apart from the EU vote ). But should it happen, it'll be within a small timeframe from announcement to referendum. Half of England, if not more, will support the Yes campaign. And will be extremely annoyed with Cameron if he tries to prevent Scotland leaving.

I've not seen any reference to Auntie or Uncle calling for a UK wide referendum

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Options open

Shakey - there's an article about you Yes-a-holics today on Bella Caledonia...;)

Yes, you, the morally certain, reactionary branch of the dead Yes campaign.

An obtrusive minority of unconsidered opinion that unconsciously exploits every political moment – even the ones where people die – in the singular pursuit of re-animating a corpse for one last blind lunge toward freedom.

If Scotland is a cheap haircut you are its puritanical fringe.

You intend to vote SNP twice next year because you love democracy. You call the First Minister Nicola. You think Braveheart is a documentary. You have The National delivered directly to your ego and you live in a world where the next referendum is always around the corner – should the right crisis occur.

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2015/12/07/scotland-the-utopia-that-never-was/

They really did describe you guys to perfection you know...:eek:

Anyway, think what you like about us 'minority voters', we're happily watching the Yes movement tear itself apart in articles and comments sections like that one.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

I've not seen any reference to Auntie or Uncle calling for a UK wide referendum

I was being tongue in cheek. Never mind. Obviously passed over your head a bit.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I was being tongue in cheek. Never mind. Obviously passed over your head a bit.

so was I : we are just so alike
look forward to my invite to the celebrations in due course