Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, there's no balance. And most 'Scottish' newspapers are run from London these days. In general Labour print a press release 'demanding action' on something, then the newspapers lead with it the next day, and in turn BBC Scotland leads with it also. There have been a lot of redundancies lately due to falling sales. Like I said the only newspaper circulation to rise is the Sunday Herald ( pro independence ).

£ 10k has disappeared from the Labour party constituency that Kezia Dugdale is in ( no reportage or 'linkage' ). Today there is a Labour MP who is on trial for assaulting a Yes supporter outside a voting station the day of the referendum. Let's please not kid ourselves if these had been SNP MP's that both stories wouldn't be top headline news for a week or so at least ? No mention in the Daily Record, and very little coverage elsewhere ( apart from a few regional newspaper ). Balance would dictate both parties and their MP's receive equal and proportionate coverage.

The BBC in Scotland is Labour central. I guess it's just a legacy of their hycalon days when Labour dominated Scotland at Westminster, Holyrood and councils. But it sure makes for one sided reporting.

If so many people are pro-SNP and the press is so biased why are people still buying these rags? Are they not as aware as you, is being pro-SNP less important than the better reporting of strictly in Union papers, are they being forced to buy or do you not really know the reasons?

..and they're controlled from London and Scottish people still buy them! Treason!

Like it or not someone from the SNP (the Scottish government/ 55 seats in parliament) who had direct access to missing funds is more newsworthy than Labour's missing £10k which isn't exactly classified by the way.

I'm not sure what happens at the BBC. I find them to be excruciatingly unbiased but to the point of being ridiculous. An example, last week there was piece on the Jeremy Vine show about Mrs. Thatcher's clothes being purchased for a museum. Someone thought it was a great idea because she's the greatest Briton ever and, for balance, someone else said it was the equivalent of buying Adolf Hitler's old clothes for a museum.

You could complain with your evidence and see what they make of it. As far as the MP accused of assault is concerned a trial date has been set (on BBC news site) so, as you would expect, the BBC will be treading carefully around the reporting of this.

You won't accept it but I think you just underestimated the level of scrutiny that goes with success.

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

If so many people are pro-SNP and the press is so biased why are people still buying these rags? Are they not as aware as you, is being pro-SNP less important than the better reporting of strictly in Union papers, are they being forced to buy or do you not really know the reasons?

I answered that a page back. It's older readers in the main, that are keeping these newspapers going. A lot of them out of habit, and the fact that they don't participate online to the same extent younger generations do. Again 'in general', these tend to be Labour leaning readers who still regard the SNP as the 'Tartan Tories' of the late 1970's.

..and they're controlled from London and Scottish people still buy them! Treason!

They reflect a different perspective which half the country don't share anymore.

Like it or not someone from the SNP (the Scottish government/ 55 seats in parliament) who had direct access to missing funds is more newsworthy than Labour's missing £10k which isn't exactly classified by the way.

Kezia is the leader of the Scottish Labour Party. I'm sure she'll love hearing how un-newsworthy she is. It's not 'exactly classified' only because social media pushed the mainly buried reports at the time. So we all know about it anyway. The Daily Record has certainly never deemed it important enough to mention. Nor any news programme.

I'm not sure what happens at the BBC. I find them to be excruciatingly unbiased but to the point of being ridiculous. An example, last week there was piece on the Jeremy Vine show about Mrs. Thatcher's clothes being purchased for a museum. Someone thought it was a great idea because she's the greatest Briton ever and, for balance, someone else said it was the equivalent of buying Adolf Hitler's old clothes for a museum.

The BBC have acknowledged problems in Scotland. It's 'official'. Especially it's more, er, 'London centric' approach.

THE BBC has a series of deficiencies in its news and online services and its programming needs to be more reflective of what is going on in Scotland, a report has found. Less than half – 48% – of people in Scotland believe the corporation is good at representing their lives through news and current affairs, the lowest proportion of any of the countries in the UK...
...The criticism is contained in the annual review by the Audience Council Scotland which scrutinised the issue of whether the corporation is balancing the Scottish news agenda and news in other parts of the UK properly. It warned that programming made in Scotland should be more reflective of Scotland.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13114132.BBC_does_not_reflect_our_lives__say_half_of_Scots/

You could complain with your evidence and see what they make of it. As far as the MP accused of assault is concerned a trial date has been set (on BBC news site) so, as you would expect, the BBC will be treading carefully around the reporting of this
You won't accept it but I think you just underestimated the level of scrutiny that goes with success.

I accept that a lot of the flak the SNP take are in response to their success and responsibilities. But I also expect Scottish Labour and other parties to be held up to similar standards when proposing and costing things like mitigating tax credit cuts in full ( now not up for debate ).. or on any other policies they put forward asking people to vote for. Or when 10k goes missing, or MP's are up on assault charges.

Either an incident justifies headline news or not. Which party one lesser known ( in the case of Thompson, McGarry ) MP/MSP is a part of should be irrelevant. Scotland doesn't have THAT many that the news coverage can just airbrush entire parties out of the picture who are 'accused' or 'linked to'. Yet a lot of the time this is what happens. The SNP have never really gotten any sympathetic coverage in the Scottish media at any time. Successful or not.

The BBC investigate any complaints internally themselves. Is a waste of time making any.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I answered that a page back. It's older readers in the main, that are keeping these newspapers going. A lot of them out of habit, and the fact that they don't participate online to the same extent younger generations do. Again 'in general', these tend to be Labour leaning readers who still regard the SNP as the 'Tartan Tories' of the late 1970's.
They reflect a different perspective which half the country don't share anymore.

Kezia is the leader of the Scottish Labour Party. I'm sure she'll love hearing how un-newsworthy she is. It's not 'exactly classified' only because social media pushed the mainly buried reports at the time. So we all know about it anyway. The Daily Record has certainly never deemed it important enough to mention. Nor any news programme.

The BBC have acknowledged problems in Scotland. It's 'official'. Especially it's more, er, 'London centric' approach.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13114132.BBC_does_not_reflect_our_lives__say_half_of_Scots/

I accept that a lot of the flak the SNP take are in response to their success and responsibilities. But I also expect Scottish Labour and other parties to be held up to similar standards when proposing and costing things like mitigating tax credit cuts in full ( now not up for debate ).. or on any other policies they put forward asking people to vote for. Or when 10k goes missing, or MP's are up on assault charges.

Either an incident justifies headline news or not. Which party one lesser known ( in the case of Thompson, McGarry ) MP/MSP is a part of should be irrelevant. Scotland doesn't have THAT many that the news coverage can just airbrush entire parties out of the picture who are 'accused' or 'linked to'. Yet a lot of the time this is what happens. The SNP have never really gotten any sympathetic coverage in the Scottish media at any time. Successful or not.

The BBC investigate any complaints internally themselves. Is a waste of time making any.

it would be interesting to know what percent of the english are happy with the BBC
or what percentage of the tories think the BBC is fair to them

but only the scots have that big chip on their shoulder : once you're independent I'm sure there will be a state monopoly of news in scotland

Happygreen

CLAPTON wrote: »

it would be interesting to know what percent of the english are happy with the BBC
or what percentage of the tories think the BBC is fair to them

but only the scots have that big chip on their shoulder : once you're independent I'm sure there will be a state monopoly of news in scotland

Why, are you expecting an independent Scotland to be a communist totalitarian state? :rotfl:

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The SNP are where they are due to online media, blogs and social networking.

Just spin. Ultimately actions matter. Words are quickly forgotten. Majority of people are far from being activists either. The SNP are where they are. As Salmond timed his challenge just at the opportune moment. Now it's passed just as he has.

CLAPTON

Happygreen wrote: »

Why, are you expecting an independent Scotland to be a communist totalitarian state? :rotfl:

NO

I'm expecting scotland to become a Putin like state with many features of the '1st ' generation of corrupt african independent states.

Momentum from independence will keep the SNP is power for a generation where their arrogance will become increasingly corrupt and authoritarian.
This will be tolerated by the SNP acolytes : so directly controlled state media, hand outs to 'YES' businesses, punishments to NO businesses, increase benefits for the SNP regions etc will become the norm
And all the time supported by the increasingly hostile anti english rhetoric to explain the decline in the economic performance of Scotland.

I hope this doesn't come to pass, but the blind absurd allegiance of the board's SNP acolytes to the cause however stupid, is not very encouraging.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

it would be interesting to know what percent of the english are happy with the BBC

If you'd read the article you'd know it's 58%.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If you'd read the article you'd know it's 58%.

and the tories?

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Just spin. Ultimately actions matter. Words are quickly forgotten. Majority of people are far from being activists either. The SNP are where they are. As Salmond timed his challenge just at the opportune moment. Now it's passed just as he has.

I'd disagree social media is spin. It's often the only source of REAL factual info there is re the SNP. Take today...

Headline on 'actions' ( STV news ):-

Salmond slammed for missing Syria debate to unveil portrait of himself

Truth via social media. Tweet one from the SNP early this morning ( well before the headline appeared )...saying Robertson and Salmond has been briefed last night over Cameron's statement today. Tweet two from someone else... Salmond was in Edinburgh for First Ministers Questions. He's still an MSP remember ? And was there for a vote. Tweet three, photo of Salmond at Holyrood today for said vote.

The SNP aren't where they are without that sort of instant debunk of such headlines from STV and other 'news' sources. Which has now been picked up and repeated throughout other news outlets over the last few hours. Implying that Salmond was merely swanning about Edinburgh unveiling portraits of himself missing important statements. I also see he also invited that wee boy who went viral with his Salmond impression at school the other day. How lovely !

STV now in backtrack mode. Thank goodness for Twitter and Facebook that's all I can say.

STV News ‏@STVNews 23 minsSNP spokesman: "Alex Salmond attended FMQs today... He is still an MSP as well as an MP, and fulfilling both duties

Basic factual journalism has gone missing in Scotland somewhere when it comes to the SNP. They forgot Alex Salmond is still an MSP and also has duties there. Just the latest in a very long string of misleading headlines and bad journalism.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

and the tories?

No idea, there wasn't a figure for SNP viewers either.