Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

my question is : the majority of scots support the SNP : why do they buy the pro unionist press?

Older generation mainly. And a lot of them for the Scottish sports/football section. My dad is a prime example. He reads the Daily Record from the back page in and always bought the papers on his way to work. Same with the Sun. And has never bothered with the Herald/Scotsman or any of the others. He retired a few months ago, and it's daily walk out for him to 'buy the papers, bread and milk'.

His politics is fixed and a generational thing. Always voted Labour, like his dad before him, always will. He also had really high hopes for Corbyn. I suspect there are many, many thousands like him in Scotland in their 50's/60's and 70's.

For the rest of us ?




No Clapton, these questions aren't difficult to answer. And TV we don't get much of a choice on. It's 'Reporting Labour', 'BBC Labour', or 'Labour 2015' each night.

Generali

Have you tried comparing those newspaper sales to the Boston Globe or the Sydney Morning Herald? I suspect there is a strong correlation.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Have you tried comparing those newspaper sales to the Boston Globe or the Sydney Morning Herald? I suspect there is a strong correlation.

I think we all know that print media in general is dying out. And certainly, long gone are the days when it 'woz the Sun that won it' in terms of political commentary or swaying opinion.

However, in Scotland it's a desperate state of affairs when there is only one ( year old yesterday ) daily newspaper, and one Sunday newspaper which reflect the political views of nearly half the country. TV political commentary treats it's own government and First Minster with complete disdain ( and by extension, those that voted for them ).

Labour are vastly over represented in Scottish tv media for what they have in terms of MP's and MSP's. Often 'top of the show'... will be a discussion on the latest Scottish Labour party press release ( which is usually along the lines of 'Sturgeon must answer' and a 10 minute uninterrupted rant.) And those press releases also make up many of the headlines of the next day's print newspapers. Wake up guys. It's not 2007 anymore !
We're mainly resigned to the predictability of it all now. But media is certainly not in any way, shape or form representative any more of Scottish opinion.

The above is solely the reason blogs like Wings, Wee Ginger Dug, Bella Caledonia, ScotgoesPop and Newsnet are doing so very well these days. People are throwing money at them left right and center to continue... Because that's all there is now to balance things up. The Sunday Herald is the only print newspaper to increase circulation as well.

elantan

Hey Shake ... noticed Corbyn labstained in the Trident debate ... so the vice chair of CND labstained in a vote against Trident

Maybe let yer da know

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

However, in Scotland it's a desperate state of affairs when there is only one ( year old yesterday ) daily newspaper, and one Sunday newspaper which reflect the political views of nearly half the country. TV political commentary treats it's own government and First Minster with complete disdain ( and by extension, those that voted for them )

Newspapers generally sell themselves by writing things that appeal to their readership. They're not proud - if being 'anti-SNP' put their readers off they wouldn't do it.

Obviously you're getting a Scottish perspective on the local news but, down here, my sense is that the SNP are treated with the same respect as anyone else. My view is their supporters aren't used to the scrutiny that comes with success and are taking this personally. Also, when you're at the top of the tree it's a British trait to try and knock people down.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think we all know that print media in general is dying out. And certainly, long gone are the days when it 'woz the Sun that won it' in terms of political commentary or swaying opinion.

However, in Scotland it's a desperate state of affairs when there is only one ( year old yesterday ) daily newspaper, and one Sunday newspaper which reflect the political views of nearly half the country. TV political commentary treats it's own government and First Minster with complete disdain ( and by extension, those that voted for them ).

Labour are vastly over represented in Scottish tv media for what they have in terms of MP's and MSP's. Often 'top of the show'... will be a discussion on the latest Scottish Labour party press release ( which is usually along the lines of 'Sturgeon must answer' and a 10 minute uninterrupted rant.) And those press releases also make up many of the headlines of the next day's print newspapers. Wake up guys. It's not 2007 anymore !
We're mainly resigned to the predictability of it all now. But media is certainly not in any way, shape or form representative any more of Scottish opinion.

The above is solely the reason blogs like Wings, Wee Ginger Dug, Bella Caledonia, ScotgoesPop and Newsnet are doing so very well these days. People are throwing money at them left right and center to continue... Because that's all there is now to balance things up. The Sunday Herald is the only print newspaper to increase circulation as well.

from what you say the SNP are winning everywhere in the media that's important.
So maybe stop whining about how unfair the media is.

The party of government should expect a much closer scrutiny that the parties of opposition.

Maybe after May 16 the SNP will be able to bring in some laws to ensure the media is fair.

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

Newspapers generally sell themselves by writing things that appeal to their readership. They're not proud - if being 'anti-SNP' put their readers off they wouldn't do it.

Obviously you're getting a Scottish perspective on the local news but, down here, my sense is that the SNP are treated with the same respect as anyone else. My view is their supporters aren't used to the scrutiny that comes with success and are taking this personally. Also, when you're at the top of the tree it's a British trait to try and knock people down.

No, there's no balance. And most 'Scottish' newspapers are run from London these days. In general Labour print a press release 'demanding action' on something, then the newspapers lead with it the next day, and in turn BBC Scotland leads with it also. There have been a lot of redundancies lately due to falling sales. Like I said the only newspaper circulation to rise is the Sunday Herald ( pro independence ).

£ 10k has disappeared from the Labour party constituency that Kezia Dugdale is in ( no reportage or 'linkage' ). Today there is a Labour MP who is on trial for assaulting a Yes supporter outside a voting station the day of the referendum. Let's please not kid ourselves if these had been SNP MP's that both stories wouldn't be top headline news for a week or so at least ? No mention in the Daily Record, and very little coverage elsewhere ( apart from a few regional newspaper ). Balance would dictate both parties and their MP's receive equal and proportionate coverage.

The BBC in Scotland is Labour central. I guess it's just a legacy of their hycalon days when Labour dominated Scotland at Westminster, Holyrood and councils. But it sure makes for one sided reporting.

From last year...

Welcome to The Family; the BBC Scotland family aka the Labour Party.

The Family resides in Glasgow and is presided over by Ken McQuarrie. Ken MacQuarrie’s Head of News at BBC Scotland is John, John Boothman. John is married to Susan, Susan is Susan Deacon. Susan is a former Labour MSP and Health Minister at Holyrood.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/bbc-chief-too-close-to-labour-claims-ex-colleague.22317694
Ken’s Head of Online News is Tom, Tom Connor. Tom and John are said to have offered media training to Labour Party wannabe politicians. Tom’s department operates BBC Scotland blogs; infamous for their ban on public comments, unlike any other part of the UK.

Another Tom is Tom McCabe. Tom is a member of the Scottish Labour Party and used to be an MSP. Tom also used to be the partner of Lorraine, Lorraine Davidson. Lorraine’s career has swung between the Labour Party and the BBC. She used to be a spin-doctor – with the Labour Party or was it the BBC? Not too sure on that one. Lorraine became a weel-kent voice on BBC Scotland frequently ushered in to air her views on all the big issues of the day. Lorraine is now married to David....

....I don’t know if Catriona knows Raymond, Raymond Buchanan that is. Raymond used to work for BBC Scotland until the little matter of his mis-representing what was said by an Irish Minister, Lucinda Creighton, on EU membership of an independent Scotland along with another little matter of a so-called ‘leaked SNP document’ suggesting Scotland’s reliance on English consumers to cover the cost of Scottish energy encouraged Raymond to make a strategic withdrawal. Whichever – Raymond has retreated to the Outer Hebrides from where he loves to tweet about politics and, well you can make up your own mind where Raymond’s heart lies.... continues....

https://lenathehyena.wordpress.com/2014/08/29/oh-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave-when-first-we-practice-to-deceive-bbc-scotland-and-the-labour-party/

elantan

Neither of them gave up the party whip either ... atleast the SNP step back until things are sorted... unlike Kez and whatser name

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

from what you say the SNP are winning everywhere in the media that's important.
So maybe stop whining about how unfair the media is.

The party of government should expect a much closer scrutiny that the parties of opposition.

Maybe after May 16 the SNP will be able to bring in some laws to ensure the media is fair.

I'm not whining. I'm resigned. Most of us are. The SNP are where they are due to online media, blogs and social networking. They're way ahead of the curve there, they've had to be. Which is why Nicola Strugeon and the 'want the tories to win' memo.. didn't gain the traction it would've otherwise done if left to traditional media and newspapers. She was on Twitter about five minutes after the story broke categorically denying any such conversation happened.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'm not whining. I'm resigned. Most of us are. The SNP are where they are due to online media, blogs and social networking. They're way ahead of the curve there, they've had to be. Which is why Nicola Strugeon and the 'want the tories to win' memo.. didn't gain the traction it would've otherwise done if left to traditional media and newspapers. She was on Twitter about five minutes after the story broke categorically denying any such conversation happened.

so, the SNP how have control of the important media in scotland

why the complaints : you have the future

anyway more important :
I was expecting the SNP to be saying how much the Tories are cutting the Scottish block grant and how this will mean even more support for the SNP
maybe it's all over the social media : unfortunately I lack the knowledge to access that : is there an idiot's guide anywhere?

It just gets better and better for the SNP : roll on May16