Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Where will the money come from? The last time the 'Westminster Government' (aka London taxpayers) paid for the referendum.

Apparently the last referendum cost £16,000,000. Whose cancer do you propose not treating in order to pay for that?

http://www.audit-scotland.gov.uk/docs/health/2015/nr_151022_nhs_overview.pdf



I suspect that the £16 million, plus the legal bills resulting from the inevitable legal challenge, could be better spent on curing people.

Mr Salmond was very clear as was Mr Cameron: the referendum was a once in a generation thing. You can't have another one just because you don't like how the last one went.

Why would there be a 'legal challenge' ? If a majority of Scots voters vote for independence Westminster would look total idiots internationally trying to challenge the outcome. Westminster would have a choice between acceptance and tanks.

If there is a political party with a referendum in their manifesto and if a majority of Scots voters vote for them. It gives a mandate for them to push ahead with one. Those that don't wish an referendum will simply cast their votes elsewhere.

I guess the money would just have to come out of the block grant. Like the Commonwealth Games, or recent infrastructure does. If a majority of Scots mandate for it, then the money will be mandated towards it too.

But tomorrow's amendment, if it even reaches discussion ( there's 5 hours scheduled to discuss 200 amendments )... it will be voted against anyway. Highlighting just that, is probably the point the Sunday Herald is making...as the SNP have never hidden the fact that they'll push for electoral control of future referendums.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If there is a political party with a referendum in their manifesto and if a majority of Scots voters vote for them. It gives a mandate for them to push ahead with one. Those that don't wish an referendum will simply cast their votes elsewhere.

You mean like the Conservatives putting EVEL in their manifesto and then implementing it.

WannaBLoaded

What do scottish people not understand about once in a generation?

I've got 20,000 english pounds that says you scots are out of the eu, as part of the uk with no further referendum.

What will pay for your sustainability? Your now worthless oil?

I am very surpised people didn't turn on the snpee after the oil price debacle. You were working on best price valuations for north sea oil and now north sea oil is pretty much worthless. Irn brus and scotch eggs isn't going to raise tens of billions a year??

Tromking

Generali wrote: »

It's very much to the credit of the SNP if they have taken sectarianism out of Scottish politics. I suspect that rather like racism, it's an idea that is dying as it's no longer relevant to people.

I don't think the SNP can or are taking credit for that, as others have said Scottish sectarianism has been on the wane for while now. Correct me if I'm wrong but Scottish Labour until recently was a useful unifying force between the two traditions. Now their vote has collapsed and Scots Irish Catholics seem to have embraced Scottish nationalism, it's going to be interesting to see where the other votes go. Anyone on the ground care to speculate as to how many Tory seats there will be in Holyrood next year. Scottish conservatives being the second biggest party I take it is a ludicrous prediction?

Leanne1812

kabayiri wrote: »

It's interesting how people can take exception to perceived inequalities when they are presented as physical things which are highly prominent and visible.

E.g - an expensive weapons system ; a high speed bespoke railway line.

We don't seem to challenge the less visible inequalities.

E.g - the £8bn+ every single year which those evil Londoners subsidise Scotland with, due to their evil largesse via tax collecting.

I don't want to see this 'evil' directed at just one region of the UK. Spread this 'evil' around the whole of the UK . Pro-rata spend for every citizen should be the rallying cry.

You too are falling into the trap of thinking these inequalities as you see them are somehow a stick to beat yes voters with. It's all about, you get more but you just want, more,more, more.

Yes voters wanted autonomy remember.

Scotland does indeed get more allocated but there is a reason which I'm sure if Hamish reads this he will educate you on

Leanne1812

Generali wrote: »

The only thing that concerns me is that fiscal autonomy for Scotland will mean utter chaos in Northern England as Scots flood south for medical help as their taxes can't pay for what they have and expect.

Without oil prices at well over $100/bbl Scotland simply isn't solvent even if the SNP and the phony Reverend Stu really wish super hard that they are.

Im sure I've yet to hear you shouting from the rooftops about Stu's 'dodgy' figures.

Leanne1812

Tromking wrote: »

I don't think the SNP can or are taking credit for that, as others have said Scottish sectarianism has been on the wane for while now. Correct me if I'm wrong but Scottish Labour until recently was a useful unifying force between the two traditions. Now their vote has collapsed and Scots Irish Catholics seem to have embraced Scottish nationalism, it's going to be interesting to see where the other votes go. Anyone on the ground care to speculate as to how many Tory seats there will be in Holyrood next year. Scottish conservatives being the second biggest party I take it is a ludicrous prediction?

To be fair I don't credit the SNP for the decline in sectarianism. I think it's just a dying breed thankfully.

I'm not sure that labour were ever a unifying force. Very recently Jim Murphy was campaigning for alcohol to be reintroduced at football stadiums which is where sectarianism seems to come to the fore. I think the banning of alcohol has been a good thing. It's seen as much more family friendly these days.

I can't even begin to speculate how many seats the tories will gain but if we look at the number of losses labour had in the GE then I wouldn't be surprised if conservatives end up the 2nd largest party. I do quite like Ruth Davidson myself.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Why would there be a 'legal challenge' ? If a majority of Scots voters vote for independence Westminster would look total idiots internationally trying to challenge the outcome. Westminster would have a choice between acceptance and tanks.

If there is a political party with a referendum in their manifesto and if a majority of Scots voters vote for them. It gives a mandate for them to push ahead with one. Those that don't wish an referendum will simply cast their votes elsewhere.

I guess the money would just have to come out of the block grant. Like the Commonwealth Games, or recent infrastructure does. If a majority of Scots mandate for it, then the money will be mandated towards it too.

But tomorrow's amendment, if it even reaches discussion ( there's 5 hours scheduled to discuss 200 amendments )... it will be voted against anyway. Highlighting just that, is probably the point the Sunday Herald is making...as the SNP have never hidden the fact that they'll push for electoral control of future referendums.

Why a legal challenge? First I think challenge is the wrong word because it would be illegal, so in the scenario you imagine "declared illegal" would fit better. But if things got that bad I would actually hope for such a move because, bluntly, it would enable some actions by Westminster which would not otherwise have been so easy, all to the advantage of those south of the border, and probably the Union itself.

Apart from the reaction of the rUK, I suspect that the reaction in Scotland would be anything but comfortable for the SNP

Tanks? Ambulances are more likely.

.string.

Leanne wrote:

To be fair I don't credit the SNP for the decline in sectarianism. I think it's just a dying breed thankfully.

Yup, anti-English is the new sectarianism.

Everybody needs a hobby.

elantan

.string. wrote: »

Yup, anti-English is the new sectarianism.

Everybody needs a hobby.

Do the English hate the English ?

That's a tad bizarre, unless your referring to the Scots.... or maybe the SNP? .. but surely your not that stupid ?