Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Thrugelmir

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Sectarianism is dying out thankfully.

Or simply simmering under the surface. That could be reignited at any time. Even today history has a major influence on world events.

Leanne1812

Tromking wrote: »

I`m saying that despite the SNP drawing support from everywhere, Scots Irish/Catholic`s disproportionately support a break up of the Union.
Again from memory, I think I remember Yes votes were made up of circa 25% of CoS voters, followed by circa 45% of non-religious and circa 70% of Catholic voters.
That suggests a religious/sectarian bias in favour of independence by catholics to me.
A growing Tory vote in Scotland would suggest a reaction to that bias is in its early stages.

The survey I read was 60% catholic & 40% protestant were Yes voters. It also stressed this did not confirm religion played a part in their decision making.

The only link I can think of would be the monarchy.

Leanne1812

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Or simply simmering under the surface. That could be reignited at any time. Even today history has a major influence on world events.[/

Along with sectarianism it appears religion is dying out with more than a third of scots declaring they are non religious.

CLAPTON

one wonders what percentage of the people of Northern Ireland are actually religious.................

Thrugelmir

CLAPTON wrote: »

one wonders what percentage of the people of Northern Ireland are actually religious.................

Was thinking the same myself.

Much in the same way that the inference is that trouble on the terraces isn't committed by people across the class spectrum. Never been any different. Still rumbles on beneath the surface.

Tromking

Leanne1812 wrote: »

The survey I read was 60% catholic & 40% protestant were Yes voters. It also stressed this did not confirm religion played a part in their decision making.

The only link I can think of would be the monarchy.

Scots Irish catholics have changed from being the most resistant to independence to now being the least fearful.
That would obviously tie in with their recent large scale abandonment of the Labour Party. What fascinates me is what reaction (if any) will there be by Scots protestants. I work with a Scots protestant orignally from the Fife coalfields (yes, he does support Rangers!) who claims there will be reaction by Unionists via the ballot box.

Shakethedisease

baldelectrician wrote: »

I would disagree- during the past 2 years of referendum stuff the following has happened in our close family

I found campaigning there were 2 Labour supporting union loving parts of the NO camp;

1. The entrenched active Labour members of the old style left leaning Labour group (trade union activists, older people who didn't read social media etc)
2. Staunch Rangers supporters who were too thick to realise the Union of Parliaments (1707) was up for scrapping in the referendum, but the Union of Crowns (1603) was not up for debate at this point. They could not be persuaded from history of the fact that Scotland had a different parliament [but the same King / Queen ] for over 100 years between 1603 and 1707.

Both these NO camps could not be persuaded and it would be a waste of time to try.

The majority of Labour voters said that Labour had lost their way and went into bed with the Tories.

Gosh that's so true to my experiences as well. Even then it was type 1 that was the most prevalent ( like some of the older generation in my own family. Most of whom were shop stewards, or union reps back in the day there were car factories and steelworks in our area ). The SNP were Tartan Tories and that was the end of it.

Type 1 above are also the LEAST likely to jump ship and ever vote Tory though. So it's not those who are bumping the Tories up those few points recently.

Leanne1812

A few months before the ref I attended a meeting. I had no idea it was organised by union reps. I remember one union rep spoke up and said he would campaign till his dying day to reunite the union if it were a Yes vote.

My friend who is a union rep and a campaigner alongside me for a Yes vote said it was possibly due to unions believing in no borders.

Leanne1812

I think anyone who doesn't want another referendum will consider voting Tory next year. What with Kez's indecision and conservatives being very vocal about being the only unionist party I can see them gaining some seats.

Shakethedisease

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I think anyone who doesn't want another referendum will consider voting Tory next year. What with Kez's indecision and conservatives being very vocal about being the only unionist party I can see them gaining some seats.

Yes I agree with that.

The Scotland Bill's up again on Monday, and the SNP have tabled an amendment to pass control of any future referendums to Holyrood. Wait until they cop a look at the Sunday Herald's front page tomorrow... :think: