Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

"election outfit sorted. #RobotGate"



Kezia is on Question Time tonight. Hopefully she'll have something a bit less vacuous to say than all SNP members ( including her dad ) are Cybermen.. oh I mean, Cybernats lol.

They're just the autonomous drones. I bet for SNP representatives going on the telly Nicola uses remote desktop to provide 'support'.

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

They're just the autonomous drones. I bet for SNP representatives going on the telly Nicola uses remote desktop to provide 'support'.

You think people like me are brainwashed drones incapable of critical thought and intelligence ? Charming. And a little lazy in critical thought from yourself if you don't mind me saying so. Whatever the SNP are doing, they're doing so extremely successfully at the moment.. and a HUGE part of their success, is down to just how crap the other parties are in Scotland.

They're building up to another 'Tuition fee's' crisis in Scotland ( as well as another NHS one ). The SNP are of course bad evil beings for their policies. However, when challenged, none of them will come out with a palatable alternative. The same will be said about taxes from the new Scotland Bill. The SNP will be dragged over the mill for not raising them, or in fact, if they do. But none of the other parties ( bar the Tories with nothing to lose perhaps ).. will admit that they'll raise income tax themselves. Tedious.

SNPbad is a drug to which Scotland’s voters have become habituated. It doesn’t work any more. SNPbad is Unionist heroin and they’re forced to inject more and more of it into the body politic in the vain hope that it might produce a hit. There’s as much chance of getting a high out of the British state as there is that George Osborne might share whatever it is he’s been taking before making one of his somnambulant appearances in the Commons.


I for one welcome our new robot overlords. The SNP have many faults, but whatever their failings they’re a vast improvement on the sorry bunch of burnt out microchips that pass for brains in the Labour party.

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2015/10/29/aye-robot/

elantan

Jeff Dugdale ‏@Jefforbited 4 mins4 minutes ago C'mon Scotland has lots of famous Robots - Bruce, Burns, Adam, Moffat, Stevenson ,Louis Stevenson, Philip, Carlyle....





and Kez's dad's reply was utterly hilarious

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Two days ago English MP's voted to make the Scottish police and fire fighting forces, the only ones in the UK not to be exempt from VAT. They refused to grant an exemption, on the grounds that merging them into one force.. Means 'technically' they aren't locally funded anymore. However, there are several other 'bodies' which fall under the same 'rules' which have been exempted.

That's the official SNP line.

I believe there are letters to Scottish Govt. officials from 2011 confirming VAT would need to be paid with the current structure. Apparently they could have amended the structure just slightly and not paid VAT.

But the Scottish Govt pressed ahead anyway. I've no doubt MP's were simply confirming the law as it stands rather than any deliberate attempt to make Scotland Police liable for VAT.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You think people like me are brainwashed drones incapable of critical thought and intelligence ? Charming. And a little lazy in critical thought from yourself if you don't mind me saying so. Whatever the SNP are doing, they're doing so extremely successfully at the moment.. and a HUGE part of their success, is down to just how crap the other parties are in Scotland.

I know you're intelligent and articulate. If Nicola said night was day you'd find a multitude of simply brilliant ways to prove her right.

I agree the SNP have been amazingly successful. We both know it's not forever and the questions are can they get another referendum before they wane and, if so, why will people vote to leave next time?

My feeling, from afar, is the sun is already starting to set as they're being too unsubtle in finding faux reasons to find conflict where none exists. There's only so much can be blamed on Westminster and credibility retained.

Generali

I'm sure that the SNP Party as a whole contains a range of views. It used to quite famously range from the Libertarian Lite Tartan Tories to the hard left.

The MPs are most definitely not allowed to have a diverse range of views. AIUI the party constitution was changed to force them to remain on message at all times or find the whip removed.

I think I'm yet to read a dissenting note from the party line by a single SNP MP this Parliament. Plenty of Labour and Tory MPs are putting their hand up and saying that they don't support a particular policy from their side, even major ones like tax credits. The SNP have either managed to find a group of 50 people with absolutely identical views or they are being kept on message by threat of expulsion and deselection.

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

That's the official SNP line.

I believe there are letters to Scottish Govt. officials from 2011 confirming VAT would need to be paid with the current structure. Apparently they could have amended the structure just slightly and not paid VAT.

But the Scottish Govt pressed ahead anyway. I've no doubt MP's were simply confirming the law as it stands rather than any deliberate attempt to make Scotland Police liable for VAT.

I believe I mentioned above, that both Labour and the Conservatives had a merger into one Scottish police force ( feel free to check their 2011 manifesto's ).. and voted it through along with the SNP ? There was agreement from all sides that this would be the best way forward for the Scottish Police.

MP's two days ago voted against Scottish forces/fire fighters being exempt from VAT. Although there are other bodies such as the NI Police Force ( centrally funded also ).. which are now exempt. This issue has been going on for a while now.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland (funded directly by the NI Government) is able to recover VAT. In England, Wales and Northern Ireland the police can recover the VAT incurred on goods and services purchased to support their non-business activities under section 33. Source link.

Sure the rules are what they are. But, there have been occasions when they've been amended to suit a new state of play.

SNP bid to alter VAT status of Police Scotland fails by 277-317.

Any reason you can think of as to why the NI Police force is exempt, but English MP's would vote down a motion to do the same for the Scottish Police Force ?

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

I'm sure that the SNP Party as a whole contains a range of views. It used to quite famously range from the Libertarian Lite Tartan Tories to the hard left.

The MPs are most definitely not allowed to have a diverse range of views. AIUI the party constitution was changed to force them to remain on message at all times or find the whip removed.

I think I'm yet to read a dissenting note from the party line by a single SNP MP this Parliament. Plenty of Labour and Tory MPs are putting their hand up and saying that they don't support a particular policy from their side, even major ones like tax credits. The SNP have either managed to find a group of 50 people with absolutely identical views or they are being kept on message by threat of expulsion and deselection.

How dare you say SNP members are robots given a chip and told what to think?!

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

How dare you say SNP members are robots given a chip and told what to think?!

I didn't say that. I said:

The MPs are most definitely not allowed to have a diverse range of views. AIUI the party constitution was changed to force them to remain on message at all times or find the whip removed.

All of which is true or at least was reported very widely as true.

If it isn't, I'm surprised that I never read a rebuttal.

How very dare you put words into my mouth? You'll make Martin sad, won't she Martin...?

:money:

See he says you're making me sad by making stuff up that I didn't say.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

How dare you say SNP members are robots given a chip and told what to think?!

You do realise it's a metaphor. MP's probably have a wide range of thoughts on the best way to achieve independence but don't feel able to express them.

How can so many policians seemingly agree on everything without control being exerted in some way. I've been to triathlon club committee meetings where there's been more lively discussion than the SNP seem to have.