Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

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Come back in 20 Years Shakey, after the SNP can show (if such is possible) it can handle the fiscal responsibility of the new devolution deal and is committed to a real Federal System within the Union like the Canadian System for example, and stop dreaming of faux federalism.

Otherwise back in your box please.

Shakethedisease

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Come back in 20 Years Shakey, after the SNP can show (if such is possible) it can handle the fiscal responsibility of the new devolution deal and is committed to a real Federal System within the Union like the Canadian System for example, and stop dreaming of faux federalism.

Otherwise back in your box please.

The SNP are committed to independence not FFA or Federalism. The new devolution deal is the very least Westminster is willing to give away in terms of powers (despite what was alluded to before the ref ).. and the tools within it politically designed to be a fiscal trap. Rather than any sort of real desire to do what's best for Scotland or her residents.

No-one is dreaming of faux federalism I can assure you. If they were the Lib Dems would have been the dominating party in Scotland long since. They've already been put back in their box good style. As were the Tories 2 decades ago, and Labour 5 months ago.

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"Fiscal trap" ?

Put up or shut up would be closer.

Keep working on the excuses, time us running out for the SNP to show how they combine balancing the books, increasing taxes in a popular way and with living within their means.

Oh of course we know, "reject the package". Then what?

Shakethedisease

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"Fiscal trap" ?

Put up or shut up would be closer.

Keep working on the excuses, time us running out for the SNP to show how they combine balancing the books, increasing taxes in a popular way and with living within their means.

Oh of course we know, "reject the package". Then what?

Sit back and watch the Tories do the rest for the next few years. They're off to a sterling start with tax credits and EVEL. Trident will be next, Human Rights etc... and all that, before any new devolution package will even come into force ( 2017 at the earliest ). Timing is everything after all. The SNP have got plenty of it, and they'll not be in any mad rush to be getting their knickers in a twist. Certainly not over a Scotland Bill that hasn't even reached it's report stage in the HOC's yet.

Come back to me in 2017. Until then, get back in your box.

Generali

Don't the Scots support Trident? HAMISH certainly seems to think so.

skintmacflint

Generali wrote: »

Don't the Scots support Trident? HAMISH certainly seems to think so.

Hamish certainly does. I'd guesstimate support probably hovers not far above the half way mark. We seem to be a nation of 'maybes aye, maybes's naw on many subjects these days.

In this single subject I do believe Sturgeon is genuine in her belief. I just don't share or agree with her belief, along with another couple of million people.

Generali

skintmacflint wrote: »

Hamish certainly does. I'd guesstimate support probably hovers not far above the half way mark. We seem to be a nation of 'maybes aye, maybes's naw on many subjects these days.

In this single subject I do believe Sturgeon is genuine in her belief. I just don't share or agree with her belief, along with another couple of million people.

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/poll-shows-52-would-vote-no-to-scottish-independence-1.899673

However, The Times poll found 53% of Scots support the retention of nuclear weapons, with 24% backing Trident's replacement with an equally powerful weapon, 29% backing it with a cheaper less powerful weapon, and 37% saying the UK should give it up completely.

The article is dated 12th Sept 2015.

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

Sit back and watch the Tories do the rest for the next few years. They're off to a sterling start with tax credits and EVEL. Trident will be next, Human Rights etc... and all that, before any new devolution package will even come into force ( 2017 at the earliest ). Timing is everything after all. The SNP have got plenty of it, and they'll not be in any mad rush to be getting their knickers in a twist. Certainly not over a Scotland Bill that hasn't even reached it's report stage in the HOC's yet.

Come back to me in 2017. Until then, get back in your box.

Well I suspect that EVEL will prove a tricky thing for the SNP to gain traction from without confirming their reputation as the party of trivial complaints. Trident is not an issue to rustle the heather and nor is the matter of Human Rights particularly as I have my doubts that the Conservatives can get anything controversial through the Commons even if they wanted to which I doubt. As for etc it's difficult to get worked up by etc. but no doubt the SNP is plotting about that

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/poll-shows-52-would-vote-no-to-scottish-independence-1.899673
The article is dated 12th Sept 2015.

Asking if one 'supports Trident' or if one 'supports Trident renewal at a cost of 167 billion' gets two very different results. And it's showed whenever this question has been asked over the last few years. Only those that oppose it on moral grounds will answer No to the first. However, those that don't want a like for like renewal because they feel the money could be better and more productively spent elsewhere...can be added to those who oppose it on moral grounds.... as the poll you posted examples well. As things stand, if the Govt propose a like for like Trident renewal. the Times poll shows 66% will oppose it. 37% on moral grounds, the other 29 % on financial grounds.

...with 24% backing Trident's replacement with an equally powerful weapon, 29% backing it with a cheaper less powerful weapon, and 37% saying the UK should give it up completely.

The fact that 58 out of 59 Scottish MP's will vote to oppose it on either moral or financial grounds ( or both ) yet it will be renewed in Scottish soil anyway.. will only further emphasise the pointlessness of sending Scottish MP's to Westminster.

So yes, it will contentious.

Shakethedisease

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Well I suspect that EVEL will prove a tricky thing for the SNP to gain traction from without confirming their reputation as the party of trivial complaints. Trident is not an issue to rustle the heather and nor is the matter of Human Rights particularly as I have my doubts that the Conservatives can get anything controversial through the Commons even if they wanted to which I doubt. As for etc it's difficult to get worked up by etc. but no doubt the SNP is plotting about that

The first time John Bercow deems a bill 'English only' when there's the slightest bit of doubt. Watch the sparks fly. There's also the small matter that if he never deems any bill 'English only'... on things like the English NHS or Education bills ( due to knock on effects )... watch for more sparks. Will all depend on how the media present it.. and I doubt it will be supporting the SNP or Plaid's stances.