Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

The first time John Bercow deems a bill 'English only' when there's the slightest bit of doubt. Watch the sparks fly. There's also the small matter that if he never deems any bill 'English only'... on things like the English NHS or Education bills ( due to knock on effects )... watch for more sparks. Will all depend on how the media present it.. and I doubt it will be supporting the SNP or Plaid's stances.

it's a great opportunity for the SNP : a couple of faux outrages will cement further support for the SNP and strengthen support for a new referendum

obviously the 'right' thing to do was to abolish Barnett but the English are just too generous : it's always been a fault especially as no credit is given

.string.

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

.... The fact that 58 out of 59 Scottish MP's will vote to oppose it on either moral or financial grounds ( or both ) yet it will be renewed in Scottish soil anyway.. will only further emphasise the pointlessness of sending Scottish MP's to Westminster.... .

You are right about that except that it should be "the pointlessness of sending SNP Scottish MP's to Westminster".

But it's easy to see why, the SNP contingent has nothing to offer, just griping.

Read your own posts, Shakey, as a fully paid up member of the SNP, you never, repeat never, write about the constructive measures that the SNP intend. The reasons for debating about "English only matters" are not about valuable inputs to the debate or how things could be done better, nothing about contribution, ONLY about how nice it would be to make sparks fly and gain another point in Scottish Opinion polls for the SNP, or gain another penny for the SNP coffers.

The SNP acts like a parasite in Parliament so of course they are pointless, utterly pointless.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

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You are right about that except that it should be "the pointlessness of sending SNP Scottish MP's to Westminster".

But it's easy to see why, the SNP contingent has nothing to offer, just griping.

Read up on the 'feeble 50'.. which is what Scotland sent down to Westminster the last time the Tories were in power. They were all Labour MP's. They couldn't stop any of Thatcher's perceived 'injustice's' towards Scotland ( poll tax a year early being the obvious one as well as things like Ravenscraig's closure ). It was the SNP that dubbed them the 'feeble 50'..
Well this time there's 59 Scottish MP's and the difference is that the SNP, unlike Labour last time, will be only too happy to point out just how feeble ANY cohort of MP's from any party in Scotland really are. Below are just from today. And they kind of have a point.

Joanna Cherry QC MP Verified account ‏@joannaccherry Tory & Labour MPs have joined together to prevent SNP or Scottish MPs from serving on the Joint Comm on Human Rights

Stewart McDonald MP ‏@StewartMcDonald 1 hr1 hour ago So not only have Labour & the Tories voted to stop Scots MPs sitting on joint human rights cttee, but there will be 6 lords sitting on it.

A request by the Scottish government to attend EU steel talks in Brussels has been rejected by the UK government.
Scottish Business Minister Fergus Ewing had asked to take part in the talks, which are being attended by his UK counterpart Sajid Javid.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34659519

Read your own posts, Shakey, as a fully paid up member of the SNP, you never, repeat never, write about the constructive measures that the SNP intend. The reasons for debating about "English only matters" are not about valuable inputs to the debate or how things could be done better, nothing about contribution, ONLY about how nice it would be to make sparks fly and gain another point in Scottish Opinion polls for the SNP, or gain another penny for the SNP coffers.

You have far more faith in the media and the way they will present things to come in the future than I do. I personally think the first time there's a vote on something like the English NHS that's deemed 'not English only'... there will be an uproar. Sturgeon will be right back on her wrecking ball, (along with Bercow).. and there will be a lot of anger both sides. You can refer back to this when it happens. Because it undoubtedly will at some point.

The SNP acts like a parasite in Parliament so of course they are pointless, utterly pointless.

The Scottish electorate beg to differ.:)

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Well I suspect that EVEL will prove a tricky thing for the SNP to gain traction from without confirming their reputation as the party of trivial complaints. Trident is not an issue to rustle the heather and nor is the matter of Human Rights particularly as I have my doubts that the Conservatives can get anything controversial through the Commons even if they wanted to which I doubt. As for etc it's difficult to get worked up by etc. but no doubt the SNP is plotting about that

You're very wrong about Trident and Human Rights not 'rustling heather'. EVEL will cause trouble at some point. But it will be the English media that stoke it.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The SNP are committed to independence not FFA or Federalism.

Federalism is the European dream. Out of the frying pan into the fire perhaps.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Joanna Cherry QC MP Verified account ‏@joannaccherry Tory & Labour MPs have joined together to prevent SNP or Scottish MPs from serving on the Joint Comm on Human Rights

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Stewart McDonald MP ‏@StewartMcDonald 1 hr1 hour ago So not only have Labour & the Tories voted to stop Scots MPs sitting on joint human rights cttee, but there will be 6 lords sitting on it.

There are always 6 Lords and six MP's on this committee.

H o C protocol states that committees with 6 MP's will be filled by the govt and main opposition party. Committees with more than 6 MP's will have members of the second opposition party.

Nothing to do with a Tory and Labour attempt to deliberately prevent SNP MP's being appointed. Indeed, SNP will actually chair 2 committees in this parliament as is their right.

Good opportunity for another whinge though.

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

There are always 6 Lords and six MP's on this committee.

H o C protocol states that committees with 6 MP's will be filled by the govt and main opposition party. Committees with more than 6 MP's will have members of the second opposition party.

Nothing to do with a Tory and Labour attempt to deliberately prevent SNP MP's being appointed. Indeed, SNP will actually chair 2 committees in this parliament as is their right.

Good opportunity for another whinge though.

Trouble is the credulous idiots fall for it, just as people that want out of the EU are determined that the AEP article is true despite all evidence to the contrary.

skintmacflint

I tend to feel the boat has already sailed over to Yes land carrying the majority of Scots influenced by SNP grudge and grievance politics.

Sure they might gather some more, perhaps even enough to get just over the halfway mark, but IMO , and it seems Sturgeon , it's not enough now. Seems that boat sailed last year as well.

You'd think SNP central would have realised by now , they need to move away from political posturing and nitpicking and change tactics.
But it seems they can't . Long may it continue. Helps ensure voters who fit their target group still to be persuaded, will still say No next time round as well.

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

There are always 6 Lords and six MP's on this committee.

H o C protocol states that committees with 6 MP's will be filled by the govt and main opposition party. Committees with more than 6 MP's will have members of the second opposition party.

Nothing to do with a Tory and Labour attempt to deliberately prevent SNP MP's being appointed. Indeed, SNP will actually chair 2 committees in this parliament as is their right.

Good opportunity for another whinge though.

Time for a change then. The Lords are unelected.. and the SNP are not so keen on them either. The SNP are the third largest party after all. There should be at least some Scottish representation on it.

However, my point, was that the SNP will make it their point to show that Westminster doesn't work for Scots at every opportunity. I think overall, in the face of what's to come re Human Rights Acts and everything else that may go with it. That Scots voters would like to see some representation on committee's like this one. The SNP.. factually... are making it known they don't have any.

We already have more English MP's that Scottish ones on the Scottish Affairs Committee after all. Fairs, fair.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

I tend to feel the boat has already sailed over to Yes land carrying the majority of Scots influenced by SNP grudge and grievance politics.

Sure they might gather some more, perhaps even enough to get just over the halfway mark, but IMO , and it seems Sturgeon , it's not enough now. Seems that boat sailed last year as well.

You'd think SNP central would have realised by now , they need to move away from political posturing and nitpicking and change tactics.
But it seems they can't . Long may it continue. Helps ensure voters who fit their target group still to be persuaded, will still say No next time round as well.

Lets hear what a Tory unionist has to say on Nicola Sturgeon shall we...

Sure, there may not be any need for another referendum on independence before 2020 – not least because, as matters stand, that referendum might, like last year’s plebiscite, be lost – but there will be another referendum at some point. And it will be won....

...Not least because Corbyn will help concentrate Scottish minds. If he makes it to 2020 he will lead the Labour party to a disaster of Stalingrad proportions. And that will usher in another decade of Conservative rule, a prospect so appalling it is wonderfully useful for the nationalist cause...

...The ghastly prospect of seemingly permanent Tory rule in London will persuade Scots that independence is no longer a risky proposition but, rather, utterly essential.

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/the-age-of-nicola-stugeon-maps-out-the-road-to-independence/

I agree. The No side blew a 30 point lead last time even with the prospect of a Labour government in 2015 looking likely and 99% of the media against independence. Tories for the next 10 years instead ? Different ball game altogether for Scottish voters. But it all still depends on May 16 and later, how Labour ( rather than the SNP ) does.