Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Mistermeaner

zagubov wrote: »

Can I answer again.




Money is power. They've been given massive responsibility and modest capacity to deal with it.

Have they been given an adequate and useable fraction of Scotland's income?

Or have they been given the equivalent of a script with the consonants missing?

That didn't answer the question. Scottish parliament has the power to increase or decrease both taxes and expenditure - fine keep moaning for more power despite the majority of Scots deciding they don't want it..... but let's please see the snp use its existing powers

Generali

elantan wrote: »

Did I say English ? What is your obsession with the English here ?

I'm not stupid. We all know that 'Westminster' really means 'hated English'.

zagubov

Mistermeaner wrote: »

That didn't answer the question. Scottish parliament has the power to increase or decrease both taxes and expenditure - fine keep moaning for more power despite the majority of Scots deciding they don't want it..... but let's please see the snp use its existing powers

It has been given crude embryonic powers (boxing gloves) and they need mature sophisticated powers (surgical gloves) . I can't think why they wouldn't have supplied sufficient powers to be useful. Can you?

Generali

zagubov wrote: »

If the rest of the UK gets to tell the Scots who to vote for, and blocks or sidelines or ignores their elected representatives why should they bother staying?

If they wanted to make the union less stable and more liable to split, it's hard to think of a better way for the rUK to behave.

9% of the population doesn't get to decide how the UK runs. The situation is exactly the same for Labour voters in England right now. The is nothing special about Scottish people that means they get an extra say. Indeed the Scots that returned a Tory MP do have a say in how the Government is being run in the UK. I'd suggest you voted Tory to have a say over the running of Scotland but then you don't return a Scottish MP from memory.

The Scots had a chance to vote to leave the Union and rejected it. Unless you think that democratic process was in some way illegitimate then accept it and move on.

elantan

Generali wrote: »

I'm not stupid. We all know that 'Westminster' really means 'hated English'.

If you believe that then you obviously are very ( to use your own words) stupid .... seriously where do u get this rubbish from ? Do u seriously think for one second the reason people want independenve is because they hate the people in a country attached to them ?

Generali

elantan wrote: »

If you believe that then you obviously are very ( to use your own words) stupid .... seriously where do u get this rubbish from ? Do u seriously think for one second the reason people want independenve is because they hate the people in a country attached to them ?

So the Scottish Nationalist movement is unique across the world in that they don't hate the lot that they wish to leave...

Fanciful idea.

zagubov

Generali wrote: »

I'd suggest you voted Tory to have a say over the running of Scotland...

I rest my case. What's the point of a parliamentary union if one partner has to tell the other how to vote?

The union should have been improved after the referendum result, according to the Vow.

I'm worried if it'll survive at all now.

It would be much better if we could get on with solving the various problems that present themselves to us in our respective jurisdictions.

Generali wrote: »

So the Scottish Nationalist movement is unique across the world in that they don't hate the lot that they wish to leave...

Fanciful idea.

You love your wife and you marry her but do you hate all other women?;)

Do the Czechs hate the Slovaks? Do the Slovenes hate the Croats?

Generali

zagubov wrote: »

I rest my case. What's the point of a parliamentary union if one partner has to tell the other how to vote?

Are you seriously trying to suggest that the Scots, or indeed any other national group, vote in Parliament as a homogenous group?

Scotland has one Tory MP but he sits in Cabinet so it's a very strong voice that his voters have.

zagubov wrote: »

Do the Slovenes hate the Croats?

The separation would suggest that there's no love lost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_War_of_Independence

zagubov

Generali wrote: »

Are you seriously trying to suggest that the Scots, or indeed any other national group, vote in Parliament as a homogenous group?

Scotland has one Tory MP but he sits in Cabinet so it's a very strong voice that his voters have.



The separation would suggest that there's no love lost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_War_of_Independence

In that case there, between the Croats and the Serbs, not the Slovenes (with whom they had a clear border).

Generali

zagubov wrote: »

In that case there, between the Croats and the Serbs, not the Slovenes (with whom they had a clear border).

Probably best not to hold up the former Yugo as a fine example of how to break up a country.

As to the Slovakians? AIUI, they hated the Czechs to the extent that they voted for poverty. Thankfully only 45% of Scots were thus blinded either by hate or by the lies of the Nationalists.