Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

baldelectrician

.string. wrote: »

The powers are there.

Meanwhile back in the real world -
AFTER the new super super powers that are coming with the Smith Comission debacle Scotland is left with Westminster controlling 85% of welfare and 75% of tax

So the powers will be there, just not in Scotlands hands.....

Mistermeaner

What are they doing with that 25% tax and 15% welfare?

zagubov

Trying to increase it.
What can you do with maximum of 9% of the seats in a joint parliament?

.string.

baldelectrician wrote: »

Meanwhile back in the real world -
AFTER the new super super powers that are coming with the Smith Comission debacle Scotland is left with Westminster controlling 85% of welfare and 75% of tax

So the powers will be there, just not in Scotlands hands.....

Back in the real real world, Scotland is part of one country, the Union of GB etc which works for all its citizens.

Presumably you did not vote for the Union but most Scots did, so respect the settled will of the Scottish People.

.string.

zagubov wrote: »

Trying to increase it.
What can you do with maximum of 9% of the seats in a joint parliament?

By joint I suppose you mean the democratically elected parliament of the UK.

As much as any other region of the UK of the same representation.

Of course of the MPs that get elected are inimicable to the UK, non-cooperative and lack constructive engagement, then you can expect zilch.

zagubov

.string. wrote: »

By joint I suppose you mean the democratically elected parliament of the UK.

As much as any other region of the UK of the same representation.

Of course of the MPs that get elected are inimicable to the UK, non-cooperative and lack constructive engagement, then you can expect zilch.

If the rest of the UK gets to tell the Scots who to vote for, and blocks or sidelines or ignores their elected representatives why should they bother staying?

If they wanted to make the union less stable and more liable to split, it's hard to think of a better way for the rUK to behave.

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

If the rest of the UK gets to tell the Scots who to vote for, and blocks or sidelines or ignores their elected representatives why should they bother staying?

If they wanted to make the union less stable and more liable to split, it's hard to think of a better way for the rUK to behave.

Scots have more voting rights than the English
they get to vote on exclusive issues for scotland and have equal voting rights with others on UK wide matters and also vote on exclusively english matters




only some-one with a deep a abinding chip on the shoulder and extreme inferiority complex could possibly say they have no influence.


but the game is to find faux arguments for another referendum : lets just wait for May 2016.

zagubov

CLAPTON wrote: »

Scots have more voting rights than the English
they get to vote on exclusive issues for scotland and have equal voting rights with others on UK wide matters and also vote on exclusively english matters




only some-one with a deep a abinding chip on the shoulder and extreme inferiority complex could possibly say they have no influence.


but the game is to find faux arguments for another referendum : lets just wait for May 2016.

Scotland quite rightly claimed a parliament for itself. Every country needs a legislature; sharing one with a neighbour for all purposes is a fudge or a compromise at best.

I'd like a parliament for England that voters in Scotland can't influence.

I wish a mainstream party would campaign for that.

elantan

.string. wrote: »

Back in the real real world, Scotland is part of one country, the Union of GB etc which works for all its citizens.

Presumably you did not vote for the Union but most Scots did, so respect the settled will of the Scottish People.

You are of course right Scotland is part of one country ... that country is called Scotland

They are also part of a group of coutries ...

.string.

zagubov wrote: »

Scotland quite rightly claimed a parliament for itself. Every country needs a legislature; sharing one with a neighbour for all purposes is a fudge or a compromise at best.

I'd like a parliament for England that voters in Scotland can't influence.

I wish a mainstream party would campaign for that.[/QUOTENeither Scotland nor England is a country, we are in a Union with the other parts of the UK.

As for a regional English Parliament, I don't want to have another tier of vainglorious Regional MPs inventing reasons for more budget and power to feed their vanity.