Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Leanne1812

skintmacflint wrote: »

If you remember I was questioning your 'enlightenment, politically alert and energised description of everyone in Scotland. I've tried to rephrase it.

So why aren't enlightened Scottish voters of all different brands giving their preferred parties and politicians a hard time with questions on a detail level? Or did you mean just SNP voters are enlightened?

As a newly enlightened voter, what relevant questions on detail have you asked your MP or of SNP recently. Or anyone else you know of. Anything about how they will use new devolved powers agreed so far?

Before you ask what questions I've put forward on the subject, I don't claim to be enlightened. Besides my preferred party hasn't a cats chance in hell of being in power to use them. But yours will.

I've never had any time for Salmond nor Sturgeon. Much the same as I've never had time for several other politicians over the years from various parties.

I personally haven't asked nor attended any of the regular surgeries my MP has but from what I hear and see ( I follow on Twitter & Facebook & I did a little campaigning both with & for him) he is taking a very keen interest in local issues and causes and attends local events. I trust him to be doing his job to the best of his ability. He is a local chap who never stood anywhere else as he wanted this area that is his home. He is liked and respected, what else can I say. What else would you want from your representative?

For now I'm happy to quietly sit on the sidelines and watch how things pan out for the next few months but I will speak out if there is something that I disagree with.

elantan

I'm currently in discusions with my Msp and my Mp regarding an incinerator project going on a few villages away and a windfarm project going on about half an hour away

Also the saving or translocation of a university that I am involved with as well ...

oh and the school bus situation, and the school clothes bank situation and not forgetting ye old Fracking ... gotta keep on top of that ...

incidentally we dont agree on everything ... so the discussions can be interesting

I chat to them on the phone twitter facebook and regular meetings ... I dont feel the need to attend any of their surgeries as I can get a hold of them anytime I need to without an appointment

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They've been by FAR the most scrutinised political party in Scotland, and perhaps the UK in terms of intense questioning over the last few years. /[/URL]

Yet despite all that scrutiny and energised enlightenment, you can't tell me what SNP want to do with the new powers they demand, or the ones they will get beyond top level rhetoric.

skintmacflint

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I personally haven't asked nor attended any of the regular surgeries my MP has but from what I hear and see ( I follow on Twitter & Facebook & I did a little campaigning both with & for him) he is taking a very keen interest in local issues and causes and attends local events. I trust him to be doing his job to the best of his ability. He is a local chap who never stood anywhere else as he wanted this area that is his home. He is liked and respected, what else can I say. What else would you want from your representative?

For now I'm happy to quietly sit on the sidelines and watch how things pan out for the next few months but I will speak out if there is something that I disagree with.

Very nice and commendable. And I mean that. Can you maybe ask him for some answers in detail about what SNP intend to do with the new powers they're getting or want. And how it will achieve the things they speak of?

Getting an answer to this fairly reasonable question is beginning to look more difficult than finding Atlantis or The Holy Grail!

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Yet despite all that scrutiny and energised enlightenment, you can't tell me what SNP want to do with the new powers they demand, or the ones they will get beyond top level rhetoric.

You want the SNP to go into minute detail about powers they don't have yet ? Haven't even been agreed yet ? And no-one knows what they are going to end up looking like yet ? Wow, you don't ask for much do you.

Labour/Gordon Brown are backtracking massively because at the time of making the Vow and taking part in the Smith Commission they were envisioning, with some justification it has to be said, that Miliband would be in power at the present time. Never in their wildest dreams did they think they would be facing a Conservative majority voting against every, single, amendment put forward to the Scotland Bill. And let's not forget Murphy and Brown unveiling the 'Vow Plus' in Feb. Where they were promising even more powers than had been included in the Smith Commission.. ( where it was the Labour party that had the worst offers when in discussion ).
We remember all this. Labour are having to close ranks and backtrack because it's now starting to dawn on them that they were duped. And used as the fall-guys.

The SNP are the very least of Scotland's worries when it comes to who is going to do what with new powers. Scottish Labour have been round the block and back again from offering the absolute least among all parties, to now asserting that there's not enough powers. All in the space of less than a year.

Again, we all know where we stand with the SNP. They'll take everything they can get powers wise, as long.. and they mean this.. as long as it's not just some kind of poisoned chalice where the Scottish Govt have to raise income taxes, with no other means of revenue raising.. simply in order to stand still within the Union. May as well be independent if that is the case.

zagubov

skintmacflint wrote: »

Yet despite all that scrutiny and energised enlightenment, you can't tell me what SNP want to do with the new powers they demand, or the ones they will get beyond top level rhetoric.

The powers offered seem too crude to do any good. There almost seems to be a gloating atmosphere of impatient hectoring as if autonomous powers should be a kind of a trap for Scottish government instead of a straight deal.

It feels to me that the SG asked for surgical gloves and are only being delivered boxing gloves.

When they get the right tools to help Scotland instead of bruising it or injuring it they'll use them then.

As regards justifying what they'll do with them, Westminster needs to know they've only been lent the powers and need to justify their retention of them, or they'll be reclaimed, just as the EU needs to justify why it retains powers over the UK, and if it can't it'll see them being reclaimed.

Shakethedisease

zagubov wrote: »

The powers offered seem too crude to do any good. There almost seems to be a gloating atmosphere of impatient hectoring as if autonomous powers should be a kind of a trap for Scottish government instead of a straight deal.

It feels to me that the SG asked for surgical gloves and are only being delivered boxing gloves.

When they get the right tools to help Scotland instead of bruising it or injuring it they'll use them then.

As regards justifying what they'll do with them, Westminster needs to know they've only been lent the powers and need to justify their retention of them, or they'll be reclaimed, just as the EU needs to justify why it retains powers over the UK, and if it can't it'll see them being reclaimed.

You said all that far better than I did. Thank you. See below, nuff said. :cool:

David Cameron's government to fast-track new powers so Tories can offer tax cuts in next Holyrood elections.

( Mundell ) He added that at next year's vote Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson "wants to make the case for lower taxes in Scotland, (and) parties need to be able to make the case based on the powers they know are going to be available...."So, that's the timetable we are looking to achieve."

He also appeared to draw a line under any other major legislative change saying he did not expect there would be a second Scotland Bill in this parliament.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13215484.David_Cameron_s_government_to_fast_track_new_powers_so_Tories_can_offer_tax_cuts_in_next_Holyrood_elections/

Happygreen

.string. wrote: »

As I understand it, the SNP want's to put "Home Rule" as a policy in their manifesto. They claim that is what was offered in the "Vow" made by Cameron Miliband and Clegg.

Maybe it's time to have an all-UK Referendum on what to do with the Scots.

That's the plan after plan A failed - these SNP MPs are going to be such a pain in the neck ( or other body parts) that Westminster is begging us to leave :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Leanne1812

Thank you Shakes & Zag,

You've both answered for me, and much better than I could have!

There you have it Skint, how could I ask these questions now when there's nothing set in stone? When we know exactly what the powers are I'm sure our FM will put us in the picture. If not she will be hounded.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You want the SNP to go into minute detail about powers they don't have yet ? Haven't even been agreed yet ? And no-one knows what they are going to end up looking like yet ? Wow, you don't ask for much do you.

Labour/Gordon Brown are backtracking massively because at the time of making the Vow and taking part in the Smith Commission they were envisioning, with some justification it has to be said, that Miliband would be in power at the present time. Never in their wildest dreams did they think they would be facing a Conservative majority voting against every, single, amendment put forward to the Scotland Bill. And let's not forget Murphy and Brown unveiling the 'Vow Plus' in Feb. Where they were promising even more powers than had been included in the Smith Commission.. ( where it was the Labour party that had the worst offers when in discussion ).
We remember all this. Labour are having to close ranks and backtrack because it's now starting to dawn on them that they were duped. And used as the fall-guys.
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You could have saved a lot of time by just admitting you don't know. Lol. And how ludicrous of me to suggest SNP who have been arguing and noisily demanding these powers for over a year now, should be able to explain in a bit of detail (not minute detail as you attempt to obfuscate) how they plan to use them to support their top level rhetoric. Lol. Not forgetting they've been wanting them for around 40 years.

As for Scottish voters trusting SNP, half do and half don't. Try to remember that next time you engage in sweeping generalisations about Scotland.

I kept your Labour narrative in the post because I found the logic of your explanation ludicrous to say the least. Hint look up your previous comments on it at the time.