Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

baldelectrician

Mistermeaner wrote: »

What are they doing with that 25% tax and 15% welfare?

Nothing yet- these powers won't come in until 2017


One thing you forget - the powers mean that Scotland will collect its own share of taxes, but the money Scotland gets (Barnett Formula) will be reduced by that amount, so they are adding layers of civil servants for little gain now.


The gain will come when independence comes, many institutions will then already be set up and the costs of independence will then lessen.

.string.

@CLAPTON - would you please edit your post where it attributes something to me which I did not write. I'd hate to think someone thought I did.

baldelectrician

Tromking wrote: »

Again, nope!
There is but one Kingdom, that being the United Kingdom. The Scots had the chance to create two kingdoms, but chose the single variety.

Wrong- the vote was to dissolve the Union of Parliaments (1707) not the Union of the Crowns (1603)


Scotland and England were a United Kingdom before 1707 and will be after Scots vote for independence next time

Tromking

baldelectrician wrote: »

Wrong- the vote was to dissolve the Union of Parliaments (1707) not the Union of the Crowns (1603)


Scotland and England were a United Kingdom before 1707 and will be after Scots vote for independence next time

United Kingdom as in the political union not the sharing of the monarch!

zagubov

.string. wrote: »

@CLAPTON - would you please edit your post where it attributes something to me which I did not write. I'd hate to think someone thought I did.

It's not CLAPTON's fault. The whole quoting system seems to have had a glitch which I hope is short-lived.:o

Mistermeaner

Can I ask again - whoever moaned about scotland having control of 25% taxation and 15% expenditure; I'm aware the snp want more but what have they done in the meantime with what they have

It's like moaning for seconds when you've not finished what's on your plate

Also if the snp really insist on pushing through the minority policy of independence, ignoring the will of the scottish people as voted for in the referendum they should make a moral stand and voluntarily hand back the barnett money - show the rest of UK that you don't need them.

As for airtime at west minister - how much attention do you think 9% (?) Of the population deserves when it already has its own parliament, there are quite frankly more important things for the government to be doing.

You had your chance scotland

zagubov

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Can I ask again - whoever moaned about scotland having control of 25% taxation and 15% expenditure; I'm aware the snp want more but what have they done in the meantime with what they have

It's like moaning for seconds when you've not finished what's on your plate

Also if the snp really insist on pushing through the minority policy of independence, ignoring the will of the scottish people as voted for in the referendum they should make a moral stand and voluntarily hand back the barnett money - show the rest of UK that you don't need them.

As for airtime at west minister - how much attention do you think 9% (?) Of the population deserves when it already has its own parliament, there are quite frankly more important things for the government to be doing.

You had your chance scotland

Can I answer again.

zagubov wrote: »

The powers offered seem too crude to do any good. There almost seems to be a gloating atmosphere of impatient hectoring as if autonomous powers should be a kind of a trap for Scottish government instead of a straight deal.

It feels to me that the SG asked for surgical gloves and are only being delivered boxing gloves.

When they get the right tools to help Scotland instead of bruising it or injuring it they'll use them then.

As regards justifying what they'll do with them, Westminster needs to know they've only been lent the powers and need to justify their retention of them, or they'll be reclaimed, just as the EU needs to justify why it retains powers over the UK, and if it can't it'll see them being reclaimed.

Money is power. They've been given massive responsibility and modest capacity to deal with it.

Have they been given an adequate and useable fraction of Scotland's income?

Or have they been given the equivalent of a script with the consonants missing?

elantan

Aberdeenangarse wrote: »

I wish you'd shut up. If you don't want people to suffer, why don't you bugg@r off from this forum

Ohhh didums did I upset you ?

Well suck it up ... there's a few of us about

elantan

kabayiri wrote: »

I suspect all this "Vow" business is not going to solve anything.

Clearly it isn't going to fulfill the desires of the SNP and advocates of independence.

In fact, it might even get in the way of BAU issues like rebuilding the economy.

I think there should be another referendum, but with the clear understanding that the next wont be for a fixed period of time, in the future.

Independence for Scotland could actually be a good thing for both Scotland and rUK. I'd like to know why Westminster are still so keen to maintain a situation which is causing much friction and disappointment.

Not having to pay a net subsidy to Scotland via the much hated Barnett formula will help rUK pay down the debt position. It will also force us to push ahead with our own energy plans involving fracking.

I agree with you with the vow ... it really was a stupid desperate move and will continually bite the unionists on the backside ...

I think k though it's up to the people of Scotland how often they want a referendum ... I don't imagine e they want one too often as the last one was awfy hard work and stressful ... but it is the people's right to decide ...

I know what is it with WM wanting to keep Scotland in the fold ... you would think it was maybe keeping trident or the fact Scotland is a net contributer or something

Bit no it couldn't be THAT obvious ... it must be cause they love us and like the banter or something

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

I agree with you with the vow ... it really was a stupid desperate move and will continually bite the unionists on the backside ...

I think k though it's up to the people of Scotland how often they want a referendum ... I don't imagine e they want one too often as the last one was awfy hard work and stressful ... but it is the people's right to decide ...

I know what is it with WM wanting to keep Scotland in the fold ... you would think it was maybe keeping trident or the fact Scotland is a net contributer or something

Bit no it couldn't be THAT obvious ... it must be cause they love us and like the banter or something

no it wouldn't be that obvious: otherwise those intelligent scots would already have voted for independence.
What's your view : they are stupid (not my view of course)