Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

baldelectrician

skintmacflint wrote: »

And what is wrong with Scotland having power to raise taxes on its own to spend on things it wishes to provide, over and above what has been politically decided by the democratically elected government of the UK. And actually using them to back up all their rhetoric?

This is just more gesture politicking from SNP with a large dose of Whinerendum.

Thats what many of us want
Whilst people balme the SNP for whining it is worth bearing in mind that after these super duper new powers arrive (at some unspecified time in the future) the Scottish Parliament will control 15% of welfare and 25% of tax - leaving Westminster to control the vast majority.

The people are being sold a pup by Westminster- Scotland will have no control over almost all taxes but people are being given the impression that Scotland can take over on areas reserved to Westminster.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29570658

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Groovy.

Perhaps this time the SNP can pay for the vote if they want to hold another referendum in short order. It seems only reasonable given that they want to go back on their prior agreement.

Let's see what Martin thinks.....


:money:

oh yeah, he agrees.

They could crowdfund the entire thing for all anyone, of the pro-indy persuasion, cares if there's a second ref. Doubt it would take that long either. All very MSE, am sure Martin does agree with that. However, there will be a few years yet. It's all about Corbyn, not the SNP at the moment... except for today.

There was no agreement anywhere not to have another one. Am afraid the No side's win was a win. But not quite crushing enough to put people off regarding a second one hoping for a different result. Them's the breaks. If over 50% of the country want another ref. Then they'll get one. :money:

Thrugelmir

baldelectrician wrote: »

The people are being sold a pup by Westminster- Scotland will have no control over almost all taxes but people are being given the impression that Scotland can take over on areas reserved to Westminster.

Stating the obvious. But you cannot have divergent economic policies operating. Might as well as have another neverendum. Seems the hamster wheel keeps on spinning.

Robisere

If the Scottish people are given another referendum, and they choose to leave the UK, there will be quite a few established, profitable companies coming South, or even leaving the UK altogether.

That will be a decision for the Scottish people alone, with no interference from England. And if the Scots do leave, let us be hopeful down here that they will take their elected representatives with them. I believe that the Scots would come to regret such a decision, but it will be their choice to make.

However, if they vote to stay within the UK for a second time, can we expect the likes of Sturgeon and Salmond to crawl back into their own fundamental orifices and just shut the hell up? Even for politicians, these are two of the most self-satisfied, smirking, pretentious people ever seen in the media limelight. Every sight and sound of either of them, makes me want to give them a slap.

And I have Scottish friends and relatives who all feel the same way, so it can't be all bad, can it?

Thrugelmir

Robisere wrote: »

And I have Scottish friends and relatives who all feel the same way, so it can't be all bad, can it?

Seems to be. In difficult times political views tend to polarise to the extremes. History tells us as much. After years of relative calm. Storm clouds are brewing. Only takes one trigger point to polarise people in the middle ground as well.

skintmacflint

baldelectrician wrote: »

Thats what many of us want
Whilst people balme the SNP for whining it is worth bearing in mind that after these super duper new powers arrive (at some unspecified time in the future) the Scottish Parliament will control 15% of welfare and 25% of tax - leaving Westminster to control the vast majority.

The people are being sold a pup by Westminster- Scotland will have no control over almost all taxes but people are being given the impression that Scotland can take over on areas reserved to Westminster.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29570658

First of all last year Scotland had the choice of being Independent , and having full control of areas which are reserved. It chose No. The Vow made no difference to the decision. At that point Scotland decided not to have full control of reserved and other powers.

Second , Even Sturgeon can't deny Scotland doesn't generate enough income to cover its existing spending, which is higher per capita than the rest of UK.

If SNP stopped some of their populist freebies eg frozen council tax etc in order to bribe certain voter groups it would be able to redirect that money to the other things they are placing such whining importance on. eg new welfare benefits etc. SNP control where our block grant is spent, so it's down to them. The problem is they want to spend more than they're given. In which case time to put up by raising taxes , or shut up.

And what's the difference between raising direct taxes , and creating or increasing stealth taxes. Other than cowardice and political spin.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You may be overestimating the 'power of Corbyn'... for today anyway. It's the 1st anniversary of the referendum, this time last year we were all heading to the polling booths. Headlines about it were always a given. As was Nicola's speech.

Aye it's been a hard day for me today ... I'm still waiting for my better together ... Corbyn's new appointees today should speed things up nicely for independence though :-)

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If over 50% of the country want another ref. Then they'll get one.

Latest polling data from YouGov....

64% of Scots said an independence referendum should be a "once in a generation" event, and 59% believe it should not be in the next SNP manifesto.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Them's the breaks.

Well, quite...

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

First of all last year Scotland had the choice of being Independent , and having full control of areas which are reserved. It chose No. The Vow made no difference to the decision. At that point Scotland decided not to have full control of reserved and other powers.

Yes it did. 68,065 people voted No on the strength of it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-32083974

One was too many based on that work of fiction. Shame so many voted thinking they were going to see significant changes. But here we are...

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Latest polling data from YouGov....

64% of Scots said an independence referendum should be a "once in a generation" event, and 59% believe it should not be in the next SNP manifesto.
Well, quite...

Ah you forgot to include this part from the same poll... Allow me...

A separate YouGov poll for The Times found that, on Holyrood headline voting intention, 51 per cent would vote SNP, 22 per cent Labour, 18 per cent Conservative, 5 per cent other and 4 per cent Lib Dem

And this from Survation re referendums in SNP manifesto's...

The Survation poll for the Daily Mail found that such a pledge would make 31 per cent more likely to vote for the party while 36 per cent said it would make no difference.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/one-three-scots-less-likely-6439147

Back to the drawing board of straw clutching I think Hamish.