Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

Aye it's been a hard day for me today ... I'm still waiting for my better together ... Corbyn's new appointees today should speed things up nicely for independence though :-)

It is getting kind of car crashy. Corbyn needs to start doing the rounds of the TV shows etc I think. We've barely heard a word since he was elected.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes it did. 68,065 people voted No on the strength of it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-32083974

One was too many based on that work of fiction. Shame so many voted thinking they were going to see significant changes. But here we are...

If and big if 68065 voted No on the strength of The Vow, still made it a No vote with significant numbers. So my comment is true and still stands.

So considering the majority of Scots , weren't influenced by The Vow, Sturgeon and Salmond are lying yet again, in their complaints about the Scotland Bill, not to mention simply catering for their wishes not the wishes of the majority.

Yet Sturgeon has the 2 faced bare cheek to accuse Cameron of ignoring the majority of Scotland on an election result of just 50%. It's time the rhetoric stopped and everyone in the UK worked and pulled together. Particularly as world events are moving fast into the unknown, and trouble spots are flaring around the world.

SNP have only succeeded in causing harm to their credibility with typical No/undecided voters ( in which I include myself) with their antics over the past few months. My wife voted SNP in the Euro elections , so would have been a good example of someone who could have been persuaded given time. Not any more. she is now now more anti SNP than I feel at times. And she has many friends who feel the same.

And if you have any contacts in SNP of power, for goodness sake, tell them Angus Robertson's practised pained, moaning, offended face in
Westminster is fooling no one up here.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

One was too many based on that work of fiction. Shame so many voted thinking they were going to see significant changes. But here we are...

Wonder how many if polled , would say they were fooled by Salmond and Sturgeons numerous whopping big lies, and the dream illusion mantra of SNP.

Think you would get more than 68000. Even a close friend who is a Yes and SNP voters agrees they lied on a number of major things.

My friend would still vote Yes, and be prepared like yourself and Elantan to suffer the huge cuts and increased taxes needed to support the significantly reduced public services which would still result.

But at least they're honest enough to admit it means SNP moaning about current Conservative cuts , is just embarrassingly silly empty spin and rhetoric. They also admit Scotland does well with Barnett formula.

Unlike hundreds of thousands of other new Yes voters, who seem to conveniently ignore it, or maybe they just haven't worked it out yet?

Mistermeaner

Just with Corbyn the new 'engagee and energised' voters who give power to the snp are in the large uninformed and ignorant therefore vulnerable to spin.

The snp could help their cause by actually doing something.

I too find the constant whinging boring. That angus bloke especially.

Glass half full, what tax raising and spending powers do the snp have and why don't they use them?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ah you forgot to include this part from the same poll... Allow me...

Well I see you've neatly side stepped the issue again by just talking about something else that you'd prefer to discuss.

How very 'New Labour Politician' of you....;)

Lets try again.

According to the most recent YouGov polling data a clear majority of Scots do not want another referendum in the SNP manifesto and believe indyref's should be a "Once in a Generation" event.

"64% of Scots said an independence referendum should be a "once in a generation" event, and 59% believe it should not be in the next SNP manifesto".

Why do you not want the SNP to respect the will of the Scottish people?

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ah you forgot to include this part from the same poll... Allow me...

And this from Survation re referendums in SNP manifesto's...
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/one-three-scots-less-likely-6439147

Back to the drawing board of straw clutching I think Hamish.

So, assuming that the split between those 36% was 50/50 between those that would have voted for the SNP regardless, and those that would not have voted for the SNP, then the actual unaffected part of the SNP vote is 18%, so that takes us to 49% in total amongst those 1000 or so Scots.

Then there's the Corbyn factor.

Which all shows what precisely? A minority SNP Goverment looming, unable to pursue it's separatist aims?

You spend too much time looking at tea leaves Shakey.

Sleep well.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It is getting kind of car crashy. Corbyn needs to start doing the rounds of the TV shows etc I think. We've barely heard a word since he was elected.

I think there too fear to let him out incase he says or does something lol

Glasgow is starting to look busy today, I might head in at some point if I can be bothered, are you going ?

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

If and big if 68065 voted No on the strength of The Vow, still made it a No vote with significant numbers. So my comment is true and still stands.

So considering the majority of Scots , weren't influenced by The Vow, Sturgeon and Salmond are lying yet again, in their complaints about the Scotland Bill, not to mention simply catering for their wishes not the wishes of the majority.

But you admit that people were influenced. Nearly 70,000 were. And voted No purely on the strength of the Vow. Yet now all we hear from folks like yourself is that 'the Vow meant nothing' and 'no-one promised anything'. Well if it meant nothing, and nothing was 'promised', why make it at all ?

Yet Sturgeon has the 2 faced bare cheek to accuse Cameron of ignoring the majority of Scotland on an election result of just 50%. It's time the rhetoric stopped and everyone in the UK worked and pulled together. Particularly as world events are moving fast into the unknown, and trouble spots are flaring around the world.

Cameron did significantly worse in both Scotland and the UK in % terms of the vote. So I think we can safely put that to the side.

SNP have only succeeded in causing harm to their credibility with typical No/undecided voters ( in which I include myself) with their antics over the past few months. My wife voted SNP in the Euro elections , so would have been a good example of someone who could have been persuaded given time. Not any more. she is now now more anti SNP than I feel at times. And she has many friends who feel the same.

Well that's all very nice. Yet their polling remains pretty steady. I suggest any loss of 'credibility' is a bit of wishful thinking on your part. The way things stand right now of course.

And if you have any contacts in SNP of power, for goodness sake, tell them Angus Robertson's practised pained, moaning, offended face in
Westminster is fooling no one up here.

I quite like him. He's been one of a very few, largely ignored, SNP MP's in the HOC for a number of years until a few months ago ( there's 56 MP's presently). He deserves his time at PMQ's. After all, the SNP are the third largest party now. He can moan and whinge however he likes for 2 questions a week. Scotland voted in order that he does just that.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Well I see you've neatly side stepped the issue again by just talking about something else that you'd prefer to discuss.

How very 'New Labour Politician' of you....;)

Lets try again.

According to the most recent YouGov polling data a clear majority of Scots do not want another referendum in the SNP manifesto and believe indyref's should be a "Once in a Generation" event.

"64% of Scots said an independence referendum should be a "once in a generation" event, and 59% believe it should not be in the next SNP manifesto".

Why do you not want the SNP to respect the will of the Scottish people?

Perhaps you need to start again with the basics Hamish.

1) The SNP can put what it likes in their manifesto. They will be betraying no-one. Having a possible independence referendum in an SNP manifesto can hardly be much of a surprise to anyone.

2) People are free to not vote for a party if they don't like what's in their manifesto.

3) Read again the Yougov polling figures for Holyrood.

on Holyrood headline voting intention, 51 per cent would vote SNP, 22 per cent Labour, 18 per cent Conservative, 5 per cent other and 4 per cent Lib Dem

I wasn't sidestepping your assertions. I was simply pointing out the glaringly obvious.

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

....Cameron did significantly worse in both Scotland and the UK in % terms of the vote. So I think we can safely put that to the side. ....

Not really. Cameron got a majority. He has the mandate to govern the UK as a whole.