Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

baldelectrician wrote: »

People seem to forget the referendum carried out by Strathclyde Regional Council where people voted 97% against the Tories privatising the water in 1994

There is nothing to stop a referendum, but people can choose to ignore one if they decide

I will be surprised if there isnt a mention of a referendum in the next manifesto, although I would expect it to be caviated with things like
'vow not being delivered / EU' vote etc.

Yes, it's all over the headlines today. A second referendum, with caveats. As was always expected.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

They do have the same access as anyone else: none in effect when it would come to calling an election that would stand up to a legal challenge.

You can't call a referendum based on aged lists scrawled down from the libraries of Scotland.

I have absolutely NO idea what you are on about. Are you trying to make out the Scottish Government can't call a referendum of Scottish voters if they choose to hold one ? I think we can be pretty sure that the Scottish Government is in possession of pretty much the entire and full voting registers within Scotland. They kind of need it for Scottish elections ?

Because most of the time they're held at different times and under different conditions to other UK elections.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes, it's all over the headlines today. A second referendum, with caveats. As was always expected.

To cover up a poor record in Government? Afraid that Corbyn will claw back core votes as well in the medium term.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

SNP must be bricking it now Corbyn is Labour leader.

Probably too late for the upcoming Holyrood elections but the next GE will be interesting in Scotland.

I think most SNP like Corbyn and wish him well. We certainly like a lot of his policies. And am looking forward to seeing Labour and the SNP vote together on a lot of issues in Westminster.

However, the problem isn't actually Corbyn. Don't make that mistake. It's the rest of the Labour party and how much support they'll give him on things like Trident, anti-austerity and Welfare reforms. While HE and some of his MP's might support getting rid of Trident for example..if only a quarter, or little more than half of his MP's vote with him ? On things like that... Well ?

There's also the little matter of the Conservative party who are out of the starting gate already painting him as a 'threat to UK and your own family's security'. The email was sent out after his election pretty quickly. And from the article below, it seems that they won't be holding back. Pretty nasty stuff if you ask me.

LABOUR’S NEW LEADER IS A THREAT TO:

• OUR NATIONAL SECURITY,
• OUR ECONOMIC SECURITY,
• AND YOUR FAMILY’S SECURITY.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/09/the-tory-plan-to-wield-corbyn-against-labour.html

Five years of it too. Incidentally, the Milliband with Salmond in his pocket poster will have nothing on the next campaign. If Corbyn seems too pally with the SNP. Lastly, there's Corbyn and his immigration stance. It's a deeply contentious issue.

But yes. Was pleased to see him win today. It's the rest of his party that will decide how his leadership goes. And how much unending flak he can take from the media and the Tories ( He should seek advice from Salmond on that). As far as Scotland is concerned. Will have to wait till the dust settles. But am sooooo looking forward to the likes of Jackie Ballie and Kezia Dugdale coming over all 'CND' after years of Trident support. Lol. Corbyn's win will be worth it for Scottish Labour trying to square that circle alone.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

To cover up a poor record in Government? Afraid that Corbyn will claw back core votes as well in the medium term.

No, it's nearly the first anniversary of the referendum ? So people are talking about it again. And so are the Sunday newspapers...

There ARE no core votes in Scotland any more. They're all over 50. Unions and 'red' 'working classes' in the old sense aren't there anymore. Those that are 'lefties'/soft SNP for want of better words. Will really hope to see Corbyn do well. But suspect his own party, and a media onslaught for the next few years. Might not wish the same.

One can only hope that Corbyn ignites and replicates what happened in his leadership election throughout England. Because that will mean a landslide leftwing Labour government in power in 2020.

If it starts to look like that's a vain hope. Then you can expect another referendum, just after the Tory victory ( complete with advantageous boundary changes ) in 2020.

Which do you think is more likely just out of interest ?

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think most SNP like Corbyn and wish him well. We certainly like a lot of his policies. And am looking forward to seeing Labour and the SNP vote together on a lot of issues in Westminster.

Labour or "Corbyn supporters". This guy voted over 500 times against his own party when in Government. Therefore may have difficulty in keeping the party line in check himself. As many hold opposing views to his own.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Labour or "Corbyn supporters". This guy voted over 500 times against his own party when in Government. Therefore may have difficulty in keeping the party line in check himself. As many hold opposing views to his own.

Yes, that's why as far as Scotland's concerned. If he can't hold the Labour party together.. and the Tories look like romping home in 2020 due to that.. there will be another Scottish referendum shortly after if the Tories do romp home ( They won't make the mistake of holding a referendum just before another UK general election like last time ).

It's one thing saying 'Corbyn' will win back Scottish voters but quite another saying the 'Labour party' will. Don't you think ? If the Labour party over the next few months really get behind him and his policies, then he has a chance of igniting the same sort of thing as he did with his leadership campaign. Across the UK. And yes, winning voters back from the SNP.

The downside to that for a lot of posters here. Is a left-wing, anti-austerity, anti-Trident, anti-war Labour government in power in 2020. Seem to want it both ways. Corbyn winning back from the SNP, yet at the same time, a Tory government in 2020 due to the fact that Corbyn's policies are 'loony left' and he's unelectable. But one or the other has to happen.

It remains to be seem which. Corbyn does have a big groundswell behind him at the moment. The SNP will wait and watch for a while.

Generali

So yet another event that is positive for the SNP and Scottish independence.

My challenge remains: can you think of a single event that would be bad for the SNP?

ruggedtoast

Generali wrote: »

So yet another event that is positive for the SNP and Scottish independence.

My challenge remains: can you think of a single event that would be bad for the SNP?

Scottish Independence would be pretty bad for it.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

One can only hope that Corbyn ignites and replicates what happened in his leadership election throughout England. Because that will mean a landslide leftwing Labour government in power in 2020.

The core vote in England is in the middle ground. That's where the vote will be won or lost. Corbyn's views on many issues wouldn't gain mainstream support. Nor do I suspect that Corbyn actually wants this job and has no intention of staying long term.