Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

zagubov wrote: »

That's precisely what they're trying to show. :beer:

Except of course that in very recent times we've had a Scottish Prime Minister, a Scottish Chancellor, and a Scottish Secretary to the Treasury.

Better to work from within where you have real influence, than to sit on the outside throwing mud and achieving nothing....

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

SNP in action:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/19/snp-cure-for-scotland-health-crisis

Kevin McKenna must be having trouble coming up with new things to write about. Mabye he thinks he's been too pro-SNP lately. He starts the article talking about 56 MP's who have nothing to do with Holyrood decisions. There are always room for improvements within the NHS. However, if comparisons have to be made..

29 January 2015There is a wide split in satisfaction between England, Wales and Scotland.
Wales sits bottom of the heap, with barely half of people (51%) - either very or quite satisfied.
That compared with 65% in England and 75% in Scotland, where there has been a huge surge in the past year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31018004

The SNP in action. Satisfaction levels seem a lot worse in England and Wales. And is always good to compare like for like when one is getting carried away with the criticisms.

Imagine what they would do with FFA.

Mabye you'll find out soon enough.

16.07.15

The SNP have been treading carefully around the idea of calling for a second independence referendum too soon, but MacNeil is clear that before long another vote will be on the table. “It’s coming. The question will be do we ask the Scottish people about full fiscal autonomy only, will it be independence only or will we ask the people the two questions and see what they want? I’m not afraid of asking the people what they want,” he says.

https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/house/angus-macneil-if-tories-think-they-can-disrespect-scotland-theyre

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Except of course that in very recent times we've had a Scottish Prime Minister, a Scottish Chancellor, and a Scottish Secretary to the Treasury.

So ? Just because they were Scottish born, didn't mean they did the best for for their constituents.

Better to work from within where you have real influence, than to sit on the outside throwing mud and achieving nothing....

Isn't that why the SNP were voted into Westminster by half the Scottish electorate ?

SNP ‘plans Tory rebel alliance’ to undermine PM

...The strategy is being planned in the hope that the dramatically expanded SNP group can undermine Cameron’s leadership by paralysing his legislative programme.

Nicola Sturgeon’s party believes the slender nature of Cameron’s majority means he is extremely vulnerable to sustained attacks on issues, particularly when there is internal disagreement within the 
Tories...

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/snp-plans-tory-rebel-alliance-to-undermine-pm-1-3834681

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31018004

The SNP in action. Satisfaction levels seem a lot worse in England and Wales. And is always good to compare like for like when one is getting carried away with the criticisms.

Probably due to the SNP's propaganda skills rather than their efficiency in government.

I notice Ms Sturgen used to be health minister:

As Health Minister, Ms Sturgeon gradually reduced NHS targets until they reached a maximum of 18 weeks wait from a patient being referred by a GP to the start of treatment.
Audit Scotland found that as targets shortened, the proportion of patients designated unavailable for treatment increased from 11 per cent in 2008 to more than 30 per cent in mid-2011.
The figures started dropping from the end of 2011, the report said, “around the time manipulation of waiting lists was found in NHS Lothian.”
Auditors said that generally NHS staff did not record the reason patients were listed as unavailable, thereby making it impossible to tell whether the classification was valid.
However, they said the result was patients’ actual waits were longer than those reported in official figures.
For example, Forth Valley reported in June 2011 that only two per cent of in-patients had been forced to wait more than nine weeks for treatment.
But auditors said the real figure was 37 per cent when periods of supposed ‘unavailability’ were included.
Three hundred people on waiting lists in NHS Grampian last year had four or more periods when they were designated as being unavailable.
NHS Highland placed people on an ‘unavailable list’ indefinitely, auditors found, with two records of ophthalmology patients being classed as such for more than a year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9618376/Hidden-waiting-lists-used-in-Scottish-NHS.html

Yeah, that figures.

.string.

Generali wrote: »

LOL.

As the SNP's tantrums are showing, 56 Scots in the UK Parliament gets you nothing.

That's because they are SNP Party clones. They can't be trusted, propose unrealistic amendments to bills for the sole purpose of whinging when they are not agreed. So they achieve nothing and are delighted.

Just think how much more would have been achieved if they were all Labour MPs striving to improve Scotland's place within the Union or, come to that, Tory MPs.

Any other party but the SNP. All they do is Pi** on the nest.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

So ? Just because they were Scottish born, didn't mean they did the best for for their constituents.

Isn't that why the SNP were voted into Westminster by half the Scottish electorate ?

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/snp-plans-tory-rebel-alliance-to-undermine-pm-1-3834681

indeed so
many of the SNP are scottish born
but it doesn't mean they are doing their best for their constituents.

wotsthat

Why not devolve all NHS UK activities to the Scottish parliament?

It's something to consider given SNP membership seems to impart almost supernatural administrative abilities that operate at a higher political plane.

Of course current health outcomes in Scotland are God-awful and Sturgeon's policy as health minister was based around making people queue for ever longer periods in the hope they died before treatment but I'm sure that's something to do with Westminster.

At worst it might be an innovative approach to deal with the pensions crisis. I know I worry about my pension expiring before I do - living a couple of years less would really reduce this worrisome burden.

.string.

wotsthat wrote: »

Why not devolve all NHS UK activities to the Scottish parliament?

It's something to consider given SNP membership seems to impart almost supernatural administrative abilities that operate at a higher political plane.

Of course current health outcomes in Scotland are God-awful and Sturgeon's policy as health minister was based around making people queue for ever longer periods in the hope they died before treatment but I'm sure that's something to do with Westminster.

At worst it might be an innovative approach to deal with the pensions crisis. I know I worry about my pension expiring before I do - living a couple of years less would really reduce this worrisome burden.

You're onto something there. Probably moving to Scotland while the SNP are in charge would help to get a bigger annuity; I might keep my private health insurance though.

Generali

.string. wrote: »

You're onto something there. Probably moving to Scotland while the SNP are in charge would help to get a bigger annuity; I might keep my private health insurance though.

I think you might be on to something. As outcomes of the SNP-run NHSS are so very poor there must be an argument that by dint of being under that system you get an impaired life annuity.

Another victory for the SNP.

ruggedtoast

I personally am rather unconvinced by the SNP in totality. In Business, companies that expand very rapidly are known to be at risk of failure.

The SNP has grown very fast indeed, and taken on supporters of every kind of hue imaginable. Some with only very tenuous affiliations with one another.

As the referendum showed, the majority of them don't want independence, which leaves Nicola Sturgeon with a bit of a problem as her radical independence base is only going to wait so long before it becomes very restive indeed.

Meanwhile, they have a capability problem. Regardless of how committed their various MPs may be, it doesn't appear that many of them have much experience, and unless they are going to be like Nigel Farage in the Euro Parliament (committed to wrecking it), they don't seem to have much of a mandate either. ]]

Sturgeon may decide she would rather have a smaller SNP, being less things to less men, than some kind of diffuse panopticon attempting to be all things Scottish at once. She has (probably temporarily) acquired a base of absolutely rabid leftists, for a start; alongside the tartan tories the SNP has always traditionally appealed to.