Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

Probably due to the SNP's propaganda skills rather than their efficiency in government.

I notice Ms Sturgen used to be health minister:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9618376/Hidden-waiting-lists-used-in-Scottish-NHS.html

Yeah, that figures.

Look in before you look out. The English and Welsh NHS's aren't exactly performing wonderfully either. Satisfaction levels are higher in Scotland than in England and Wales. What does that tell you ?

Like I said, room for improvement in all areas and regions of the NHS. However, up here we've had so many manufactured 'NHS crisis' headlines over the last few years it's kind of whooshing over many people's heads. Most of these 'crisis levels' disappearing without a trace as soon as an election is over. Kind of like those articles you posted. There are 1000's more of them. Yawn inducing.

I expect with Holyrood elections coming up in May next year, this is only the starting gun of another few 100. There will be loads more to come. However, the reality is, that most people using the NHS in Scotland are on the whole satisfied with how things went or are going in their experiences. So it doesn't translate into votes when it matters... unfortunately for Labour the last 8 years or so it seems.

And puuuh-lease. The Telegraph ? On the SNP ? Or Nicola Sturgeon !!??? So 'balanced and fair' with their reporting so far lol..

The new press regulator has reprimanded the Daily Telegraph for its “significantly misleading” front-page story which claimed that Scotland’s first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, secretly supported the election of a Conservative government.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/06/press-watchdog-ipso-reprimands-daily-telegraph-over-nicola-sturgeon-story

I shouldn't bother if I was you posting any of their stuff in future as 'proof' on anything regarding the SNP. They'll only have to retract it and apologise later.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Look in before you look out. The English and Welsh NHS's aren't exactly performing wonderfully either. Satisfaction levels are higher in Scotland than in England and Wales. What does that tell you ?

That the dissatisfied Scottish patients have all been killed off?

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

That's because they are SNP Party clones. They can't be trusted, propose unrealistic amendments to bills for the sole purpose of whinging when they are not agreed. So they achieve nothing and are delighted.

Just think how much more would have been achieved if they were all Labour MPs striving to improve Scotland's place within the Union or, come to that, Tory MPs.

Any other party but the SNP. All they do is Pi** on the nest.

You're starting to sound a bit, well, lets just say losing a bit of perspective on things string. Mabye take some time out. Your language is getting ever more 'ranty'. That's a real shame. Tories in Scotland 'furthering Scotland's place in the union' .. Oh dear.. And Labour have had decades to have a go at furthering. Time for someone else to have a shot at it now.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

indeed so
many of the SNP are scottish born
but it doesn't mean they are doing their best for their constituents.

They've only been there 10 weeks. Hold your horses a bit. This parliament has a long five years to go yet.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

I think you might be on to something. As outcomes of the SNP-run NHSS are so very poor there must be an argument that by dint of being under that system you get an impaired life annuity.

Another victory for the SNP.

Health outcomes are improving in Scotland. They're still behind England, but then they started from a much lower base. And it will certainly take longer than 8 years to reverse decades of poor health choices and other factors that limit health outcomes ( ie alcohol abuse, poor housing, poor food choices etc etc ).

But to be clear. You actually really and truly think that poor health outcomes in Scotland are solely down to the SNP over the last few years ? You don't think things may be a teeny tad more complicated and involved than that ?

Shakethedisease

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I personally am rather unconvinced by the SNP in totality. In Business, companies that expand very rapidly are known to be at risk of failure.

The SNP has grown very fast indeed, and taken on supporters of every kind of hue imaginable. Some with only very tenuous affiliations with one another.

As the referendum showed, the majority of them don't want independence, which leaves Nicola Sturgeon with a bit of a problem as her radical independence base is only going to wait so long before it becomes very restive indeed.

Meanwhile, they have a capability problem. Regardless of how committed their various MPs may be, it doesn't appear that many of them have much experience, and unless they are going to be like Nigel Farage in the Euro Parliament (committed to wrecking it), they don't seem to have much of a mandate either. ]]

Sturgeon may decide she would rather have a smaller SNP, being less things to less men, than some kind of diffuse panopticon attempting to be all things Scottish at once. She has (probably temporarily) acquired a base of absolutely rabid leftists, for a start; alongside the tartan tories the SNP has always traditionally appealed to.

Not one person who want's independence for Scotland wants another referendum next week or next year that may possibly be lost again or rests on a knife edge. Even the least politically engaged are not so far gone that they would love the SNP to call another ref... if it's just going to be lost. There's no point in it.

Most will be happy to wait until there's a referendum that's there to be won, and won decisively. So I wouldn't worry too much about Nicola Sturgeon's 'problems'... which incidentally, most political parties would be happy to have. The Tories in power and Labour looking increasingly Tory-lite will do the rest over the next few years.. Unless Corbyn wins. In which case, there will be a few ex-Labour voters in Scotland, tempted back.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

That the dissatisfied Scottish patients have all been killed off?

I'll be sure and let all my former midwifery and Cardiothoracic nursing friends and colleagues know your views on the Scottish NHS shall I ? And that they're apparently killing dissatisfied patients off while working their socks off ?

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Health outcomes are improving in Scotland.

Health outcomes are improving just about everywhere.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They're still behind England, but then they started from a much lower base. And it will certainly take longer than 8 years to reverse decades of poor health choices and other factors that limit health outcomes ( ie alcohol abuse, poor housing, poor food choices etc etc ).

But to be clear. You actually really and truly think that poor health outcomes in Scotland are solely down to the SNP over the last few years ? You don't think things may be a teeny tad more complicated and involved than that ?

It's not just that Scottish health outcomes are behind England, they're well behind where the SNP has said they should be too.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/19/snp-cure-for-scotland-health-crisis

One of the modern indicators of life in 21st-century Scotland is the “missed health target”. Hardly a week passes, it seems, without news of another failure to reach an arbitrary measure of competence and commitment to patients. The most serious of these is the target of treating 90% of patients within 18 weeks. At the end of last year, more than one in 10 patients had to wait longer, the second time the target had been missed. During the final quarter of last year, the NHS also failed to meet a legal obligation for treatment to start within 12 weeks of its being agreed by a specialist. The Scottish government also pledged that 95% of patients would be treated within four hours in accident and emergency. They’ve been missing that target every week for the last six years or so.

The SNP's response to their NHS missing their own targets? Shoot the messenger of course!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/11331724/SNP-plan-to-silence-health-boards-over-AandE-turmoil.html

The Telegraph has seen an email from Robert Williams, who works for the Scottish Government’s health department, pressing for a letter to be sent to all NHS boards advising them to stop providing journalists with information about their problems.

Interesting that the SNP manifesto for the GE called for an increase in health funding in real terms while they've been cutting real spending in Scotland to pay for gimmicks:

http://www.theweek.co.uk/election-2015/63404/snp-manifesto-2015-nicola-sturgeons-policies

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Health outcomes are improving just about everywhere.

It's not just that Scottish health outcomes are behind England, they're well behind where the SNP has said they should be too.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/19/snp-cure-for-scotland-health-crisis

The SNP's response to their NHS missing their own targets? Shoot the messenger of course!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/11331724/SNP-plan-to-silence-health-boards-over-AandE-turmoil.html

Interesting that the SNP manifesto for the GE called for an increase in health funding in real terms while they've been cutting real spending in Scotland to pay for gimmicks:

http://www.theweek.co.uk/election-2015/63404/snp-manifesto-2015-nicola-sturgeons-policies

The Telegraph and 'seeing memo's and emails'... Yes well...

And even that article was back in January. Election in May ? Elections ? Telegraph ? SNP ? 'Misleading' stories ?.. There's a familiar connection there, but I just can't put my finger on it. ( The Guardian one has already been linked to on this thread).

Like I say. In NHS Scotland there is much to improve on. But the same can be said for England and Wales too. But I can't be bothered googling and posting examples the 100's of 'NHS in England in crisis' stories there no doubt are to prove that it's the same all over. So here's just what comes up typing the specific 'English NHS in Crisis' term in the box..

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=english+nhs+in+crisi&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=fz6sVbL1L8WBUc3VuqgP#q=english+nhs+in+crisis

Here's one from January too...

The Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt will come under further scrutiny after official figures showed that A&E departments in England missed their waiting time target.
NHS England revealed that departments saw 89.8% of patients within four hours in the week ending 11 January – failing to meet the 95% target.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nhs-e-crisis-english-departments-continue-miss-95-four-hour-target-1483695

Loads of them.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Loads of them.

Once again, of course, you ignore the central point which is that despite the SNP calling on the UK to spend more on health, they are cutting spending year-on-year-on-year and too much of the money they are spending is going on gimmicks like free parking.