Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

edinburghman10

It's nice to see the Inverurie Herald quoted as a real newspaper.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scotland is still a part of the UK. Scots are still here as 'all people of the UK'. The overall budget being set by MP's from all parts of the UK is something I accept.

That the SNP may provide some of those UK MP's.. is something you seem to hate. Nothing you can really do about it though. That's what really vexes you isn't it. If you're honest. That and a possible hung parliament.

You only and solely 'accept' things from the UK parliament that are in the interests of a small section of the UK society, without any concern for social justice.
If the Barnett formula disadvantaged the people of the north, you would write volumes on the injustice and how morally repugnant it was (and I would agree with you).
Any sense of 'moral' outrage is totally contained by your nationalist (or maybe racial) concern for one section of the UK.

I fully support the right of all the people of the UK to vote on reserved matters including the total spending total.
I also support a fair distribution of the 'cake' to the peoples of the UK on an equitable basis taking into account social deprivation.
After that I support the principle that the local parliament / council should be free to spend distribution 'their' share as they like.

If the people of Scotland vote for SNP people to represent them at Westminster then that's fine with me. If the overall result is a hung parliament then so be it.

I look forward to all those SNP MPs at Westmister taking a moral position and to vote for the reform of the Barnett formula as outlined above.
I look forward to your enthusiastic support for the same.


Better that the YES vote had won so the rest of the UK could have built a fairer society.

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Shakethedisease wrote:

So you think Scots are parastites ? Charming ! We pay taxes too. No taxation without representation.. And if that means a say via our elected representatives in Westminster, on reserved matters that affect (better or worse) the block grant for things like our NHS and children's education systems.. then that's just tough.

Then learn to live with the first paragraph above.

All bubble's burst. It just happens to be Scottish Labour's that's bursting at the present time after decades of support. Not the SNP's. Mabye they'll have decades too, or it may be very short-lived. But at the moment, right now ?.. You're looking at the wrong bubble.

As you well know, I am not referring to Scots, the parasites I was referring to are the SNP, forever holding out the begging bowl, and the bubble is yours Shakey, the wishful thinking bubble bug.

A perfectly reasonable Devolution Plan is now in train, likely to be supported by most UK MPs. Your back-door separation formula is not going to be supported and in the end it comes down to a vote in the Commons, a vote which will enact the will expressed by the Scottish people to stay in the United Kingdom, rather than separate from it led by a bunch of nat fanatics.

In the meantime the whining continues, more of the same childish Me Me Me strategy, complaining at every turn that everything that is wrong is the fault of Westminster (aka the wicked English) and that everything which is right is due to the Scottish Master-race, embodied by the bunch of nitwits called the SNP). All designed to seed emnity in these Islands.

.string.

CLAPTON wrote:

You and the SNP know the Barnett formula is corrupt but you never mention it because it is to your venal advantage.

You are a natural Tory : totally concerned only with self interest and have no moral compass about fair distribution to all the peoples of the UK.


The overall budget is set by a parliament of all the people of the UK: a concept you absolutely hate.

A natural Tory - come off it Clapton, you'll give the Tories a bad name.

In any case I would put the SNP nearer the Communist side of the left/right divide, with delusions about a one party state.

I heard rumblings about that during the to and fro of the election campaign, something about Parliament Committees being led and run by the SNP rather than being true cross-party tools of governance.

Any Scots like to comment on that - is what I heard correct?

elantan

Any other Scot feel as if now that we have voted no were back to be no longer loved but seen as something that should be scraped off the sole of a shoe ?

Where is all the we love you's... dont leave us ... now ... no more love letters ... no more sudden desperate rushes up to save the union ... now its you get too much you have too much influence ... sit there, shut up and eat yer cereal

well i reckon hell slap it into us ...

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Any other Scot feel as if now that we have voted no were back to be no longer loved but seen as something that should be scraped off the sole of a shoe ?

Where is all the we love you's... dont leave us ... now ... no more love letters ... no more sudden desperate rushes up to save the union ... now its you get too much you have too much influence ... sit there, shut up and eat yer cereal

well i reckon hell slap it into us ...

Only sentiment is one of fair and equal shares for all the people of the UK.

in fact Scotland still gets more than it's fair share and probably will long continue to do so.

if the Scots actually wanted to be loved and respected they would campaign for reform of the Barnett system and for replacement by an socially equitable and just system

elantan

Och Clapton you telling me you dont love and adore me ? i am GUTTED dot com at that

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Och Clapton you telling me you dont love and adore me ? i am GUTTED dot com at that

are you female?

if so you can PM me privately if you like

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elantan wrote:

Any other Scot feel as if now that we have voted no were back to be no longer loved but seen as something that should be scraped off the sole of a shoe ?

Where is all the we love you's... dont leave us ... now ... no more love letters ... no more sudden desperate rushes up to save the union ... now its you get too much you have too much influence ... sit there, shut up and eat yer cereal

well i reckon hell slap it into us ...

@elantan, nothing has changed on that score as far as I am concerned.

The grumbling you read here is about the SNP political stance where they simply do not honour the promises they made before the Referendum that both winning and loosing side would work in good faith towards making the result a success for both Scotland and the United Kingdom. The SNP don't give a fig for the Union and pursue policies and spurious rationale which sets unreasonable expectation on TOTAL devolution of ALL matters to Scotland. All this is clothed in the self-serving claim that they are doing it for the benefit of the Scots and never mind the Referendum because that is so last year.

Such a proposal would put Scotland into a take-all give-nothing position which is entirely inconsistent with being in a Union.

I've asked Shakey several times about how the SNP propose to live up to the pledge to work towards the success of the Union part. The only thing I have seen is that FFA etc is the way to keep the Union otherwise stuff it and we go into neverendum land. Oh and the other nonsense about nothing is Democratic unless the SNP (aka Scotland in SNP conceited parlance) get their own way on absolutely everything.

Not that I think Shakey and her party bosses don't realise this but all of that, as I've said, is about fermenting more and more bad feeling.

So please revert to your stated stance where you think that people should work together and recognise the to and from in this forum for what it is, not what the SNP would have you believe.

elantan

clapton
nah i am not into rough stuff so saying you hate me whilst offering to love me wont work for me lol;)