Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

The first paragraph - Parasitic justification as always

So you think Scots are parastites ? Charming ! We pay taxes too. No taxation without representation.. And if that means a say via our elected representatives in Westminster, on reserved matters that affect (better or worse) the block grant for things like our NHS and children's education systems.. then that's just tough.

The second paragraph - It has already been explained why that is not going to happen

Then learn to live with the first paragraph above.

The third paragraph - enjoy your bubble before it bursts, as it will. The seeds are already there, fostered by the SNP themselves.

All bubble's burst. It just happens to be Scottish Labour's that's bursting at the present time after decades of support. Not the SNP's. Mabye they'll have decades too, or it may be very short-lived. But at the moment, right now ?.. You're looking at the wrong bubble.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

As long as the Barnett Formula/Scotland's block grant is affected by how much or how little the English NHS gets then it's every Scottish residents concern too.

total rubbish

This has nothing to do with the fact that there is no political debate in Scotland about the Scottish health service but the SNP discus the English NHS

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Of course I don't approve. But until independence or FFA that's what we're ALL stuck with. We'll all just have to live with it for now.

total rubbish

you have never damned the barnett formula but have constantly used the weak relationship to somehow argue that the English should have no say in Scotland's NHS but the northern regions should influence the English NHS.

Let's hear the SNP daily condemning the Barnett formula on the principle it is corrupt.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

total rubbish

This has nothing to do with the fact that there is no political debate in Scotland about the Scottish health service but the SNP discus the English NHS

There is plenty of discussion in Scotland re the Scottish NHS. However, the funding to provide ANY services in the Scottish NHS come from Westminster. Where all Scots taxpayers money goes too.

Westminster MP's vote on that funding because it's a reserved matter. Not Scottish MSP's who just decide what to do with that funding once Westminster MP's have voted on the actual amount .

It's a very, very simple concept. I'm surprised someone as intelligent as yourself keeps failing to grasp it.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

total rubbish

you have never damned the barnett formula but have constantly used the weak relationship to somehow argue that the English should have no say in Scotland's NHS but the northern regions should influence the English NHS.

Let's hear the SNP daily condemning the Barnett formula on the principle it is corrupt.

The SNP want rid of the Barnett formula too. You seemed to have missed the referendum a few months ago ? Scots voted to stay part of the UK. That means the Barnett formula continues.

And with 502 English MP's compared to 52 Scottish ones.. it looks like your intelligence has deserted you radically, once again, in terms of where the real influence lies.

If you're still moaning about the amount of influence 50 odd Scottish MP's have in Westminster compared to a massive 500 English ones... If even that is too much for you and you wish Scottish MP's even less than they have now in terms of a say in Westminster... then the union is probably over. ( If you're at all representative of the average English person ? ).

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There is plenty of discussion in Scotland re the Scottish NHS. However, the funding to provide ANY services in the Scottish NHS come from Westminster.

Westminster MP's vote on that funding because it's a reserved matter. Not Scottish MSP's who just decide what to do with that funding once Westminster MP's have voted on the actual amount .

It's a very, very simple concept. I'm surprised someone as intelligent as yourself keeps failing to grasp it.

Scotland gets two votes

-one to the UK parliament which set the overall budget and the borrowing requirement

-and they get to vote on solely Scottish issues

The English have only one vote: you of course are appalled at the unfairness.


In any event, you support the totally corrupt Barnett formula because you have no moral social principles but are totally devoted to a national socialist agenda with no regard to morality, honesty or social justice.

I'm not at all surprised that you don't have any moral compass.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

Scotland gets two votes

-one to the UK parliament which set the overall budget and the borrowing requirement

-and they get to vote on solely Scottish issues

Devolved issues. With funding set in Westminster as a reserved matter.

The English have only one vote: you of course are appalled at the unfairness.

The have about 450 more votes on ALL reserved matters than Scottish MP's do.

In any event, you support the totally corrupt Barnett formula because you have no moral social principles but are totally devoted to a national socialist agenda with no regard to morality, honesty or social justice.

I'm not at all surprised that you don't have any moral compass.

And you're going slightly tonto.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Devolved issues. With funding set in Westminster as a reserved matter.

The have about 450 more votes on ALL reserved matters than Scottish MP's do.

And you're going slightly tonto.

You and the SNP know the Barnett formula is corrupt but you never mention it because it is to your venal advantage.

You are a natural Tory : totally concerned only with self interest and have no moral compass about fair distribution to all the peoples of the UK.


The overall budget is set by a parliament of all the people of the UK: a concept you absolutely hate.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

You and the SNP know the Barnett formula is corrupt but you never mention it because it is to your venal advantage.

You are a natural Tory : totally concerned only with self interest and have no moral compass about fair distribution to all the peoples of the UK.


The overall budget is set by a parliament of all the people of the UK: a concept you absolutely hate.

Scotland is still a part of the UK. Scots are still here as 'all people of the UK'. The overall budget being set by MP's from all parts of the UK is something I accept.

That the SNP may provide some of those UK MP's.. is something you seem to hate. Nothing you can really do about it though. That's what really vexes you isn't it. If you're honest. That and a possible hung parliament.

robmatic

Shakethedisease wrote: »

As long as the Barnett Formula/Scotland's block grant is affected by how much or how little the English NHS gets then it's every Scottish residents concern too.

Seems a bit stupid to be so concerned with the size of the block grant when the Scottish Government underspent by hundreds of millions of pounds last year.

Perhaps people in Scotland should look closer to home for the source of their problems rather than seeking to blame the English first.