Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Salmond was far from the only one.

Here's Sturgeon saying exactly the same thing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24147303

Salmond and Sturgeon then, if it makes you happy. However, that was round about the time the SNP had 25,000 members. There were 75,000 + joined shortly afterwards that didn't 'widely agree' with them. I guess, like in all political parties, they'll have to go along with the consensus on that one. What else can a party leader do after all...

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

The estates are still owned by the Royal family; it's just the deal passing over revenues which is continued by each monarch since King George 3.

Back in 2011 that was circa £200m revenue. It's not much of a dent on a subsidy worth £7bn+ per annum is it?

I guess it's worth more in whinge factor.

Nothing much to do with the Royal Family these days.

In Scotland we manage four rural estates, mineral and salmon fishing rights, about half of the coastal foreshore and almost all of the seabed. We have a significant role in supporting aquaculture, marine leisure, ports & harbours and offshore renewable energy.
Our role is to make sure that the land and property we invest in and manage are sustainably worked, developed and enjoyed to deliver the best value over the long term. All our annual revenue profit is paid to the UK Government.

http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/our-business/in-scotland/

And it's not about the revenues. The point I was making was about the sneakiness. Trying to hang onto a lucrative retail complex ( and there's more than that, they're trying to make so the Crown Estates can pass over what's there already, but are free to buy more in the future )...

Stand on your own two feet Scotland. Fine. Slipping loopholes into legislation in order to keep money flowing to the UK Treasury and not Scotland as promised and agreed. Not fine. Devolving ALL Crown Estate revenues should be just that.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Salmond and Sturgeon then, if it makes you happy. However, that was round about the time the SNP had 25,000 members. There were 75,000 + joined shortly afterwards that didn't 'widely agree' with them. I guess, like in all political parties, they'll have to go along with the consensus on that one. What else can a party leader do after all...

So what the Unionist party leaders said in the lead up to the referendum should be binding but what the Nationalist ones said should not.

Hmmmmm. I detect a certain inconsistency here.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Nothing much to do with the Royal Family these days.

http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/our-business/in-scotland/

And it's not about the revenues. The point I was making was about the sneakiness. Trying to hang onto a lucrative retail complex ( and there's more than that, they're trying to make so the Crown Estates can pass over what's there already, but are free to buy more in the future )...

Stand on your own two feet Scotland. Fine. Slipping loopholes into legislation in order to keep money flowing to the UK Treasury and not Scotland as promised and agreed. Not fine. Devolving ALL Crown Estate revenues should be just that.

But there are 134,000 Tory party members who didn't agree to this. Just because the leader may or may not have said something is a mere detail.

skintmacflint

kabayiri wrote: »

I guess it's worth more in whinge factor.

Speaking of whinging , I'm nominating Joan McAlpine SNP MSP for Whinge of the Month award, after listening to her being interviewed by Gordon Brewer on Sunday Politics Scotland yesterday.

She writes an article in the main press very week, and he said she sat on Holyroods Welfare Reform Committee. Think anyone who relies on tax credits would be concerned if they'd been listening to her responses. All delivered in a first class whine.

I had planned to nominate Tasmina 'any party will do' Ahmed Sheikh . Due to her habit of responding to interviewers and addressing audiences , in the manner of a 7 year old sister patiently whining at her young brother for eating too many sweets before his dinner.

It just gets worse up here. We're doomed, totally doomed Sir !!

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skintmacflint wrote: »

Speaking of whinging , I'm nominating Joan McAlpine SNP MSP for Whinge of the Month award, after listening to her being interviewed by Gordon Brewer on Sunday Politics Scotland yesterday.

She writes an article in the main press very week, and he said she sat on Holyroods Welfare Reform Committee. Think anyone who relies on tax credits would be concerned if they'd been listening to her responses. All delivered in a first class whine.

I had planned to nominate Tasmina 'any party will do' Ahmed Sheikh . Due to her habit of responding to interviewers and addressing audiences , in the manner of a 7 year old sister patiently whining at her young brother for eating too many sweets before his dinner.

It just gets worse up here. We're doomed, totally doomed Sir !!

I enjoyed that post, just thought I'd say so.

Particularly I liked the idea of a Whinge of the Month Award. :rotfl:

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On the matter of Crown Land, I remember a concern being raised concerning the implication of potential Scottish Government interference in the running o UK military establishments in Scotland ... Something about an overall responsibility for health and safety being used to close down the Trident facilities. It seemed a bit far fetched, but indeed something to tidy up in an eventual Scottish Devolution Settlement.

Has anyone heard of this being discussed?

skintmacflint

.string. wrote: »

Perhaps not the only elephant; there are the other issues of the Scottish Financial Sector collapsing, and businesses shifting South. These will all help ( the rUK that is). Then there is the probable shifting of rUK spending habits away from Scotland.

Buy rUK!

It doesn't have much of a ring to it but, well, never mind.

Wonder if this could influence the location of the contract for the Space Station Project if it gets the green light. And similar project decisions. Seem to remember there were 4 locations shortlisted, 2 in Scotland, 1 in Wales and 1 in Cornwall.

With a potential future income stream of up to 30 billion estimated , can't see the UK government if it has any influence in the final decision being willing to place it in Scotland. Nor anything else.

Suppose only time will tell.

.string.

skintmacflint wrote: »

Wonder if this could influence the location of the contract for the Space Station Project if it gets the green light. And similar project decisions. Seem to remember there were 4 locations shortlisted, 2 in Scotland, 1 in Wales and 1 in Cornwall.

With a potential future income stream of up to 30 billion estimated , can't see the UK government if it has any influence in the final decision being willing to place it in Scotland. Nor anything else.

Suppose only time will tell.

Yes I've wondered about that. For some reason I haven't fathomed the west coast of the UK was favoured (Conwall, Wales and Western Scotland being the strong contenders). I was surprised that the east coast of Scotland was not first choice since a West > East launch over the sea might be significantly cheaper.

I suppose there are a couple of things which are delaying the decision, first the problems with the Virgin Spaceplane and secondly the budgetary problems where the launch due would, I imagine, be a secondary priority.

If the project is to be a serious project then an early decision would be beneficial; possibly by 2018?

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

So what the Unionist party leaders said in the lead up to the referendum should be binding but what the Nationalist ones said should not.

Hmmmmm. I detect a certain inconsistency here.

Err not really. I said at the bottom of my post that a lot of water had flowed under the bridge, events. It's a different landscape since the time only a few short weeks ago, when there were only 6 SNP MP's at Westminster.

And if you're talking about 'certain inconsistencies'.. I think you'll find that the unionist/main party leaders both past and present, have been guilty of far more than one comment. 'The Scottish Parliament shall be permanent', 'as close to federalism' just for starters. And the absolute shambles that went on in the HOC tonight.

Glass houses.