Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

.string.

Generali wrote: »

Oh and just to make the point, the Tories got an extra 20,000 votes in Scotland this time than last with a very small reduction in share of vote.

It'll be interesting to see how the SNP square the 'historic victory' with the circle of 'a complete lack of power'. They'll be as relevant in Westminster as the SDP was during the Thatcher era.

Yes the problem of SNP votes ratcheting up UK costs and borrowing simply to favour Scottish finances, which was a concern with the Labour minority scenario, has now gone, give or take a bit of tribal chanting.

kabayiri

.string. wrote: »

Yes the problem of SNP votes ratcheting up UK costs and borrowing simply to favour Scottish finances, which was a concern with the Labour minority scenario, has now gone, give or take a bit of tribal chanting.

The vote for the Conservative manifesto has been fairly comprehensive.

We need to continue the austerity program and get our debts down. Ironically, when done, this will then put the Scottish economy in a much better health status, making independence more achievable.

I wasn't a fan of delaying austerity, and it seems there are many who agree with me. That's good to know.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

Oh and just to make the point, the Tories got an extra 20,000 votes in Scotland this time than last with a very small reduction in share of vote.

It'll be interesting to see how the SNP square the 'historic victory' with the circle of 'a complete lack of power'. They'll be as relevant in Westminster as the SDP was during the Thatcher era.

We shouldn't forget; we pay them out of the public purse to do all their normal duties. They need to represent local business and community interests, for example. That will be the bread and butter work for any normal MP.

They just won't be setting the economic agenda.

Froggitt

I look forward to seeing FFA for Scotland, Wales/NI if they want it, and also for England.


I wonder what Darling Nikki's view on austerity will be once she finds there isn't enough coming in to pay for the SNP's headline policies.

robin61

Froggitt wrote: »

I look forward to seeing FFA for Scotland, Wales/NI if they want it, and also for England.


I wonder what Darling Nikki's view on austerity will be once she finds there isn't enough coming in to pay for the SNP's headline policies.

We had better make sure they do not get a blank cheque. If they are allowed to borrow they will spend, spend, spend and we will end up bailing them out. We need to make sure any extra spending is funded by taxes from their own people. Maybe when they see their tax bill going through the roof they will not be so keen to vote for the left.

elantan

Is that like the 1.6 trillion debt the UK have ? Do they ensure the taxes cover their debt ?

kabayiri

robin61 wrote: »

We had better make sure they do not get a blank cheque. If they are allowed to borrow they will spend, spend, spend and we will end up bailing them out. We need to make sure any extra spending is funded by taxes from their own people. Maybe when they see their tax bill going through the roof they will not be so keen to vote for the left.

There is probably some moderate independence middle ground.

The Scots could borrow if they wish, as long as the commitment to repay is clear obviously.

Equally, if they wish to raise more in taxes then I don't see why they can not do so.

People and business will ultimately decide if they like the Scottish model or the one down here with their feet. But then, people move for work within the UK all the time.

I prefer this model to the old Barnet formula. Ultimately, the SNP will have to work towards independence, so why not start now? Set out a timetable for the removal of any subsidy. Publish it. Be bold

kabayiri

elantan wrote: »

Is that like the 1.6 trillion debt the UK have ? Do they ensure the taxes cover their debt ?

You do realise that the existence of the deficit means that the answer to your second question is No, don't you?

Oh, and the UK is "us", not "they". Every single one of us owes tens of thousands of pounds. When this crop of newly selected MPs retire we will still be repaying this debt. We better get used to this idea.

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Is that like the 1.6 trillion debt the UK have ? Do they ensure the taxes cover their debt ?

It would seem common that SNP supporters don't understand what a budget deficit actually means.

It would seem that most SNP supporters don't know that a large part of the UK debt is due to the spectacular failure of Royal Bank of Scotland and Halifax Bank of Scotland.

Most SNP supporters don't ever think what would have been the Scottish debt situation if they had been independent in 2007.
They could read up about Ireland but the SNP have airbrushed any mention of the 'Celtic Arc of Prosperity' out SNP speak in the same way that their former hero Fred the Shred is never mentioned now.

Most SNP supporters seem to think it was all just a bad dream caused by the English.

However, come independence, you will have a practical demonstration of what the terms mean even though you will have defaulted on your share of the debt.

Doubtless you will all be blaming the Tories/English for not warning you but by then it will be too late.

.string.

kabayiri wrote: »

You do realise that the existence of the deficit means that the answer to your second question is No, don't you?

Oh, and the UK is "us", not "they". Every single one of us owes tens of thousands of pounds. When this crop of newly selected MPs retire we will still be repaying this debt. We better get used to this idea.

Yes I caught that too, and while elanten may not be SNP as such she has seemingly swallowed some of the SNP us versus them economics. The remark encapsulates the reason why the SNP cannot be trusted to be fiscally honest and not burden the rest of us with their extravagances.

It shows the difficulty with what robin61 wrote (below) in the last sentence in that overspending only worried the SNP if they actually intend to honour their debt, and on their past statements, they don't.

robin61 wrote: »

We had better make sure they do not get a blank cheque. If they are allowed to borrow they will spend, spend, spend and we will end up bailing them out. We need to make sure any extra spending is funded by taxes from their own people. Maybe when they see their tax bill going through the roof they will not be so keen to vote for the left.

Reaching some sort of common ground will be difficul in view of the blustering words that have been said and are still being said, and probably impossible which is why I have repeatedly stated that it will soon be "Take it or Leave it Time" and argued for extending the dialogue beyond the SNP.