Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

.string. wrote: »

Is voting in Scotland based only on hate?

No quite the opposite in many cases I would say

elantan

CLAPTON wrote: »

-the scots have had years to consider the matter of independence

-there was a full 2 year campaign endlessly rerunning the main arguments

-the majority voted against by a substantial margin

-the scots have benefited grossly unfairly from extra per head spending compared to other parts of the UK

-they are over presented in parliament relative to their population

-they get extra investment compared to comparable parts of the UK.


So now, after the prospect of actually standing on their own feet and having to live with all the false economic projections is safely out of the way, they suddenly find all that false courage to (apparently) wish for independence


Sadly one more unattractive trait along with their racist 'anyone but England' and the equally unattractive sentiment of Flower of Scotland


ah well, probably not too long before the separation of the sheep and goats

This post speaks so fluently and concisely about how very very little you understand the majority of Scottish people ... Please keep it up it makes me want to make some more popcorn

skintmacflint

.string. wrote: »

Is voting in Scotland based only on hate?

For some it is very much the case.

Salmond has skilfully created

- a common cause for people to feel they finally belong to something
- someone to blame for all their perceived woes
- repetition over the years of the 2 points above

And many have fallen for it , hook, line and sinker.

While some on here would speak in terms of how exciting and politically engaged the Scots now are, in real terms the majority simply spout the sound bites they've heard repeated over and over again. This is the nationalist bubble, they now live in.

They haven't bothered to look any further than the sound bites and empty promises oft repeated by the SNP , like many voters I guess. Problem in Scotland is there is a small population , so it doesn't take that many to fool, unlike say England.

zagubov

skintmacflint wrote: »

For some it is very much the case.

Salmond has skilfully created

- a common cause for people to feel they finally belong to something
- someone to blame for all their perceived woes
- repetition over the years of the 2 points above

And many have fallen for it , hook, line and sinker.

While some on here would speak in terms of how exciting and politically engaged the Scots now are, in real terms the majority simply spout the sound bites they've heard repeated over and over again. This is the nationalist bubble, they now live in.

They haven't bothered to look any further than the sound bites and empty promises oft repeated by the SNP , like many voters I guess. Problem in Scotland is there is a small population , so it doesn't take that many to fool, unlike say England.

I notice you got in the "too wee" AND the "too stupid" insults in but left out the too poor one. Not that that's a thing.;)

elantan

Im sure the mention of oil will be along shortly :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

For some it is very much the case.

Salmond has skilfully created

- a common cause for people to feel they finally belong to something
- someone to blame for all their perceived woes
- repetition over the years of the 2 points above

And many have fallen for it , hook, line and sinker.

The SNP have been in power in Holyrood since 2007. I think we would have noticed if they hadn't been any good at it by now on the day to day running a devolved country thing. Anyway, every single one of your points could be used for every single other political party, or even a local football team.

While some on here would speak in terms of how exciting and politically engaged the Scots now are, in real terms the majority simply spout the sound bites they've heard repeated over and over again. This is the nationalist bubble, they now live in.

I'd in turn say that the reason people are turning to the SNP is precisely because they have become more politically engaged, read up, researched and come to their own conclusions re what's best for Scotland, and in their own day to day lives in terms of how politics affects it. Labour has had decades to sort all manner long running problems out.. but hasn't bothered much north of the border. Took a lot of support for granted really.

They haven't bothered to look any further than the sound bites and empty promises oft repeated by the SNP , like many voters I guess. Problem in Scotland is there is a small population , so it doesn't take that many to fool, unlike say England.

Yes, well, you had wall to wall UKIP for that leading the agenda until recently didn't you. There's a fair few been 'fooled' there on sound bites and empty promises. It's not just a Scottish thing.

Most really have actually looked a lot further than soundbites. It's probably the reason why the SNP is ahead now. Jim Murphy has been positively dominating the airwaves up here holding court on every Scottish news and current affairs program going for the best part of 3 months now ( since he was touted as Scottish Labour leader ). Some have renamed 'Reporting Scotland' to 'Reporting Murphy'....

In fact, your above paragraph describes him and Scottish Labour far more accurately than the SNP. The SNP rarely get much of a fair go in the Scottish media ( and almost never in southern based media - See Telegraph or Guardian for examples ). We're all resigned to that. Fooled by sound bites and empty promises ? Well we usually have to actively go scrolling, twittering, facebooking or 'below the line' in articles to see if there have actually been any !

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

Im sure the mention of oil will be along shortly :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Allow me...

Oil prices rose yesterday, boosting oil and gas share prices and prompting further speculation that the market has bottomed out.
Brent crude, which has more than halved in seven months, posted its biggest one-day gain in six years on Friday. Despite a fall yesterday morning, the price increased again by $2.63 a barrel to $55.62.
Shares in FTSE 100 oil stocks, including BG Group, BP, Shell and Tullow Oil, rose sharply amid hopes that prices are beginning to recover, reports The Times.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/business/oil-price/60838/oil-price-shoots-up-has-market-finally-bottomed-out

It's volatile you know.

Leanne1812

skintmacflint wrote: »

For some it is very much the case.

Salmond has skilfully created

- a common cause for people to feel they finally belong to something
- someone to blame for all their perceived woes
- repetition over the years of the 2 points above

And many have fallen for it , hook, line and sinker.

While some on here would speak in terms of how exciting and politically engaged the Scots now are, in real terms the majority simply spout the sound bites they've heard repeated over and over again. This is the nationalist bubble, they now live in.

They haven't bothered to look any further than the sound bites and empty promises oft repeated by the SNP , like many voters I guess. Problem in Scotland is there is a small population , so it doesn't take that many to fool, unlike say England.

We could go all round the world debating what you think Salmond & the SNP have created. I could say you've taken your words straight from the BT campaign rhetoric

The truth is, and you cannot deny it, is the SNP are a party that all the rest would love to be right now. Which leader wouldn't want a massive surge in support? Which party wouldn't want masses of people willing to help volunteer for them campaigning? All the parties would give their right arm to be riding high like they are. You don't like them and that's fine but to insinuate 1.6 million yes voters are in the nationalist bubble or just a wee bit thick is really quite silly.

Anyway, enough looking back, onwards and upwards to Scotland's voice being quite a bit louder in 2015

elantan

Generali wrote: »

Which parts are wrong? The constant references to popcorn are getting a bit stale.

You've only had them for a few days ... Imagine being told your anti English for years ... And your of the anyone but England camp ... We passed stale with that one a LONG time ago, and yet it still gets wheeled out

And for the record I am most definitely not anti English as that would mean I would be hating myself

elantan

This picture shows just one meeting that is going on tonight ... it is discussing the Smith Commission and what it means for Scotland ... one night in one wee town in Scotland ...

now imagine meetings like this up and down the country ... and generally a few a week... all for different things ... but all with the aim of creating a better society for all ...

Then tell me Scotland are sheep and dont question ... cause you better believe we do ... to the annoyance of politicians